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		<title>By: TeriLynn</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2006/06/how-will-church-historians-evaluate-our-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-3809</link>
		<dc:creator>TeriLynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: post #12

I've read where Elliot has said that.  And she has repeated it in public, so it seems to be a pretty firm belief of hers at one time.  She may have changed her stance on it since though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: post #12</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read where Elliot has said that.  And she has repeated it in public, so it seems to be a pretty firm belief of hers at one time.  She may have changed her stance on it since though.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2006/06/how-will-church-historians-evaluate-our-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-3242</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, I must admit that I have no idea if this is true or not.  If it isn't, then I will be glad to apologize.  However, on another forum somebody said that Eliott actually advocates a woman not leaving an abusive marriage. Something about how the wife can be a good witness to her husband by "turning the other cheek."  I have only ever read Eliott's book &lt;em&gt;Passion and Purity&lt;/em&gt;, however, which is addressed to single people, so I can't confirm it myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, I must admit that I have no idea if this is true or not.  If it isn&#8217;t, then I will be glad to apologize.  However, on another forum somebody said that Eliott actually advocates a woman not leaving an abusive marriage. Something about how the wife can be a good witness to her husband by &#8220;turning the other cheek.&#8221;  I have only ever read Eliott&#8217;s book <em>Passion and Purity</em>, however, which is addressed to single people, so I can&#8217;t confirm it myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Vance</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2006/06/how-will-church-historians-evaluate-our-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-3173</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jul 2006 04:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elizabeth Elliot is indeed from the complementarian viewpoint. I salute her missionary work, but she evidently believes a woman's place is in the kitchen, or so I've read. That is so sad. Historians may well shake their heads at the things people once believed when they write the story of our generation; however, they will also see hope. They will see an entire generation of women and men joining together for equality for all. Biblical egalitarians will be right there in the heart of this movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elizabeth Elliot is indeed from the complementarian viewpoint. I salute her missionary work, but she evidently believes a woman&#8217;s place is in the kitchen, or so I&#8217;ve read. That is so sad. Historians may well shake their heads at the things people once believed when they write the story of our generation; however, they will also see hope. They will see an entire generation of women and men joining together for equality for all. Biblical egalitarians will be right there in the heart of this movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2006/06/how-will-church-historians-evaluate-our-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-3010</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, let's not get started about &lt;em&gt;Lies Women Believe&lt;/em&gt;.  I saw it on a Christian bookstore shelf once and picked it up out of curiosity.  Let's just say I put it down again pretty quickly.  I, too, noticed that the authors (I believe Elizabeth Elliot co-authored it) began with their own biased beliefs and tried to pass them off as the Word of God.  That's not my idea of good Bible study material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, let&#8217;s not get started about <em>Lies Women Believe</em>.  I saw it on a Christian bookstore shelf once and picked it up out of curiosity.  Let&#8217;s just say I put it down again pretty quickly.  I, too, noticed that the authors (I believe Elizabeth Elliot co-authored it) began with their own biased beliefs and tried to pass them off as the Word of God.  That&#8217;s not my idea of good Bible study material.</p>
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		<title>By: TeriLynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>TeriLynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: post #8

When I was in a patriarchal Christian commune some 34-35 years ago, women were told that because they were prone to error they must look to men to interpret Scripture.  Basically, we had to get our beliefs approved by the men before we could be free to talk about them.

In a recent book by DeMoss, titled "Lies Women Believe", she makes the suggestion that women "may" be inclined to error.  In fact her whole book was about how easily women are deceived.  Any woman that buys that stuff is likely going to be fearful of studying lest they misread and end up believing wrong.  It encourages women to repeat what others say instead of searching to discover for themselves.  And most of the comp books to women are NOT an educated, solidly biblical challenge to the readers. 

The thing I've noticed about DeMoss is that she starts outside the Scripture from a premise. One should not START from any approach, but should seek to extract the points from the Scriptures without adding into Scripture. Teaching from preconceived premises is what I experienced in my years in fundamentalist churches,  of the way that most comp women are taught. First they are given the “party line”, and then Scriptures are found to support it.  Because that is what they are accustomed to hearing, then that is what they repeat to others.  Few women convinced of hierarchical teaching know what it means to study Scripture.  

Sad picture.  And the question still is, how do we encourage them to study and search the Scriptures for themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: post #8</p>
<p>When I was in a patriarchal Christian commune some 34-35 years ago, women were told that because they were prone to error they must look to men to interpret Scripture.  Basically, we had to get our beliefs approved by the men before we could be free to talk about them.</p>
<p>In a recent book by DeMoss, titled &#8220;Lies Women Believe&#8221;, she makes the suggestion that women &#8220;may&#8221; be inclined to error.  In fact her whole book was about how easily women are deceived.  Any woman that buys that stuff is likely going to be fearful of studying lest they misread and end up believing wrong.  It encourages women to repeat what others say instead of searching to discover for themselves.  And most of the comp books to women are NOT an educated, solidly biblical challenge to the readers. </p>
<p>The thing I&#8217;ve noticed about DeMoss is that she starts outside the Scripture from a premise. One should not START from any approach, but should seek to extract the points from the Scriptures without adding into Scripture. Teaching from preconceived premises is what I experienced in my years in fundamentalist churches,  of the way that most comp women are taught. First they are given the “party line”, and then Scriptures are found to support it.  Because that is what they are accustomed to hearing, then that is what they repeat to others.  Few women convinced of hierarchical teaching know what it means to study Scripture.  </p>
<p>Sad picture.  And the question still is, how do we encourage them to study and search the Scriptures for themselves?</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2006/06/how-will-church-historians-evaluate-our-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-2780</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to #7, I have thought about this very carefully before posting, because I don't want to sound offensive. However, in my years of studying the issue of women in the church, one thing I have noticed time and time again is that people will throw out a few proof texts and think that solves the issue.  Just recently on another forum, a comp. woman told me, "Paul obviously forbids women from teaching in I Cor and I Timothy.  How could you argue about that?"  When I try to point out things like the original languages or cultures, it just makes people angrier, as if my having studied the issue in depth has somehow made me suspect.  Again, I'm sorry if this sounds bad, but it's just the attitude I've seen.  "The bible says it right there in plain English.  Why can't you just accept it?"  I would love it if somebody could provide an explanation for this antipathy to studying God's Word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to #7, I have thought about this very carefully before posting, because I don&#8217;t want to sound offensive. However, in my years of studying the issue of women in the church, one thing I have noticed time and time again is that people will throw out a few proof texts and think that solves the issue.  Just recently on another forum, a comp. woman told me, &#8220;Paul obviously forbids women from teaching in I Cor and I Timothy.  How could you argue about that?&#8221;  When I try to point out things like the original languages or cultures, it just makes people angrier, as if my having studied the issue in depth has somehow made me suspect.  Again, I&#8217;m sorry if this sounds bad, but it&#8217;s just the attitude I&#8217;ve seen.  &#8220;The bible says it right there in plain English.  Why can&#8217;t you just accept it?&#8221;  I would love it if somebody could provide an explanation for this antipathy to studying God&#8217;s Word.</p>
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		<title>By: TeriLynn</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2006/06/how-will-church-historians-evaluate-our-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-2667</link>
		<dc:creator>TeriLynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 15:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote from post "How will Church Historians Evaluate our Generation:" 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;I think they will wince as they consider evangelical theologians holding to a subordinationist view of the Trinity and receiving a broad complementarian audience. I think they will further wince as they think of process theologians, in the name of evangelicalism, telling us that God does not absolutely know the future. I think they will wince as they consider our waffling on life issues such as abortion, on sexual moral/ethical issues such as homosexual ordination. I actually believe there will be more wincing than this&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


I've been lamenting these things myself wondering where the purity of Christian thought on life with God has gone.  How did we come to these things?  Has there been too much thinking on these issues without an equal amount of searching the Scriptures?  Do these problems parallel the general lack of real Bible Study among many Christians?  I see a lot of helicopter theology with verses plucked out of context and used creatively but not accurately. 

It seems that the average Christian today is not interested in learning how to accurately study the Bible.  They would rather be told what the correct doctrine is without checking it out for themselves like the Bereans that Paul praised. Is this a result of our being in the era of fast-everything from food, to shopping by phone, to internet information?  And how do we encourage them to come back and enjoy the process as much as the end result?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote from post &#8220;How will Church Historians Evaluate our Generation:&#8221; </p>
<blockquote><p><em>I think they will wince as they consider evangelical theologians holding to a subordinationist view of the Trinity and receiving a broad complementarian audience. I think they will further wince as they think of process theologians, in the name of evangelicalism, telling us that God does not absolutely know the future. I think they will wince as they consider our waffling on life issues such as abortion, on sexual moral/ethical issues such as homosexual ordination. I actually believe there will be more wincing than this</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve been lamenting these things myself wondering where the purity of Christian thought on life with God has gone.  How did we come to these things?  Has there been too much thinking on these issues without an equal amount of searching the Scriptures?  Do these problems parallel the general lack of real Bible Study among many Christians?  I see a lot of helicopter theology with verses plucked out of context and used creatively but not accurately. </p>
<p>It seems that the average Christian today is not interested in learning how to accurately study the Bible.  They would rather be told what the correct doctrine is without checking it out for themselves like the Bereans that Paul praised. Is this a result of our being in the era of fast-everything from food, to shopping by phone, to internet information?  And how do we encourage them to come back and enjoy the process as much as the end result?</p>
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		<title>By: sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 03:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Anglican Sydney it's absolutely complementarian. Those of us who think otherwise hardly dare say anything because there is an unspoken culture that does not allow dissent to the 'party line'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Anglican Sydney it&#8217;s absolutely complementarian. Those of us who think otherwise hardly dare say anything because there is an unspoken culture that does not allow dissent to the &#8216;party line&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2006/06/how-will-church-historians-evaluate-our-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-2018</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should be perfectly honest and say that not everyone here believes in the egal. position.  There are pockets of resistance, which unfortunately, I've encountered.  :(  Indeed, the former Archbishop of Canterbury is still very outspoken against the idea of women in ministry.  

However, &lt;b&gt;overall&lt;/b&gt; the British church is egalitarian.  Most of the local preachers, at least in our district, are women.  I've only personally heard one person speak against the idea.  Complementarians are in the minority here, not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should be perfectly honest and say that not everyone here believes in the egal. position.  There are pockets of resistance, which unfortunately, I&#8217;ve encountered.  :(  Indeed, the former Archbishop of Canterbury is still very outspoken against the idea of women in ministry.  </p>
<p>However, <b>overall</b> the British church is egalitarian.  Most of the local preachers, at least in our district, are women.  I&#8217;ve only personally heard one person speak against the idea.  Complementarians are in the minority here, not the other way around.</p>
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