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	<title>Comments on: Loving God with All of Your Heart, Soul, and Mind</title>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2007/03/loving-god-with-all-of-your-heart-soul-and-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-47766</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 04:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's been a while now and maybe this won't get read, but in response to the last post with which I agree, I also think that lack of serious study and questioning is a main reason why hierarchy still persists in the church. Very few man and even less women study the Bible, being content with 'daily devotionals' and the like. Most women's studies do not go into the depth of analysis which would look at the hard questions which is a shame.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a while now and maybe this won&#8217;t get read, but in response to the last post with which I agree, I also think that lack of serious study and questioning is a main reason why hierarchy still persists in the church. Very few man and even less women study the Bible, being content with &#8216;daily devotionals&#8217; and the like. Most women&#8217;s studies do not go into the depth of analysis which would look at the hard questions which is a shame.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachelle</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2007/03/loving-god-with-all-of-your-heart-soul-and-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-43257</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 01:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue of Bible studies aimed at mothers has been covered well, but here is a different angle: What about material aimed at teenaged girls? Anything marketed to them at the Christian bookstores has to do with dating, modesty, not dating, modesty, friendships, and modesty...

Last year I counseled at a weekend youth retreat, and they held gender-segregated Q&#38;A sessions where the teens could write questions and put them in a box to be drawn and read and the counselors would attempt to answer them. Contrary to what I expected from a room of all junior high girls, NONE of the questions were about relationships... they were all real questions about the nature and existence of God, the historicity of the Bible, theological dilemmas... The same things that educated adults still look into.

So yeah I think girls and women are sold short, but I think it is also all across the board. It seems that the most intelligent thing to come out of most evangelical churches are things like seminars on intelligent design, worldview, apologetics, etc. that still only give people pre-designed comebacks rather than teaching them to contend for themselves. I think the lack of pursuing serious thought in the Evangelical Church is why so many people leave and why, in a lot of circles, atheism and theological liberalism are taken to be synonymous with intellectualism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue of Bible studies aimed at mothers has been covered well, but here is a different angle: What about material aimed at teenaged girls? Anything marketed to them at the Christian bookstores has to do with dating, modesty, not dating, modesty, friendships, and modesty&#8230;</p>
<p>Last year I counseled at a weekend youth retreat, and they held gender-segregated Q&amp;A sessions where the teens could write questions and put them in a box to be drawn and read and the counselors would attempt to answer them. Contrary to what I expected from a room of all junior high girls, NONE of the questions were about relationships&#8230; they were all real questions about the nature and existence of God, the historicity of the Bible, theological dilemmas&#8230; The same things that educated adults still look into.</p>
<p>So yeah I think girls and women are sold short, but I think it is also all across the board. It seems that the most intelligent thing to come out of most evangelical churches are things like seminars on intelligent design, worldview, apologetics, etc. that still only give people pre-designed comebacks rather than teaching them to contend for themselves. I think the lack of pursuing serious thought in the Evangelical Church is why so many people leave and why, in a lot of circles, atheism and theological liberalism are taken to be synonymous with intellectualism.</p>
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		<title>By: Can Dance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Can Dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think there is a lot of fluff.  though I can sympathize with the idea that too much Christian literature is directed at mothers with children, but as Sally said, its pretty hard when you are up to your eyeballs with small children to think of much else.
As for Babywise, etc.  I personally have great reservations his view of children and his parenting ideas.  Because I have embraced a non patriarchal/gracefilled ideal in my own life, I have also embraced a grace based parenting philosophy as well.  Which means I approach my children considering them to be people with feelings to be considered, which I think BW and GKGW completely disregards.  
anyway I could say more, but suffice to say, I think my approach to parenting fits in very well with my views on male/female relationships and a non hierarchical view point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think there is a lot of fluff.  though I can sympathize with the idea that too much Christian literature is directed at mothers with children, but as Sally said, its pretty hard when you are up to your eyeballs with small children to think of much else.<br />
As for Babywise, etc.  I personally have great reservations his view of children and his parenting ideas.  Because I have embraced a non patriarchal/gracefilled ideal in my own life, I have also embraced a grace based parenting philosophy as well.  Which means I approach my children considering them to be people with feelings to be considered, which I think BW and GKGW completely disregards.<br />
anyway I could say more, but suffice to say, I think my approach to parenting fits in very well with my views on male/female relationships and a non hierarchical view point.</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 01:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At risk of sounding like a simpleton, I suggest that Christian women tend to focus on their husbands and children as an expression of their Christianity, ignoring the study of the Bible as a self protective coping mechanism. The Bible is used as a weapon against women daily. I find it remarkable that so many women follow the Christian faith- they are very forgiving of the Churches who abuse them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At risk of sounding like a simpleton, I suggest that Christian women tend to focus on their husbands and children as an expression of their Christianity, ignoring the study of the Bible as a self protective coping mechanism. The Bible is used as a weapon against women daily. I find it remarkable that so many women follow the Christian faith- they are very forgiving of the Churches who abuse them.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2007/03/loving-god-with-all-of-your-heart-soul-and-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-36965</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note re 'Boundaries with kids' and the GFA material. We have found it to be very similar and after teaching the GFA material for many years we have come to the conclusion that it's people who apply the info. incorrectly who give the material a bad name. The teachers on the videos of both the 'biblical' and 'secular' versions do not recommend any of the excesses which are contained in statements by their critics. And the criticisms of the authors should not be just accepted outright without personally checking the stories or asking the people themselves.
Those of us who stand for biblical equality know what it is like to be falsely accused so we should make extra sure before we pass on any 'bad press'
I did do the google and was astounded at some of the claims. The GFI websites give an entirely other opinion of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note re &#8216;Boundaries with kids&#8217; and the GFA material. We have found it to be very similar and after teaching the GFA material for many years we have come to the conclusion that it&#8217;s people who apply the info. incorrectly who give the material a bad name. The teachers on the videos of both the &#8216;biblical&#8217; and &#8217;secular&#8217; versions do not recommend any of the excesses which are contained in statements by their critics. And the criticisms of the authors should not be just accepted outright without personally checking the stories or asking the people themselves.<br />
Those of us who stand for biblical equality know what it is like to be falsely accused so we should make extra sure before we pass on any &#8216;bad press&#8217;<br />
I did do the google and was astounded at some of the claims. The GFI websites give an entirely other opinion of course.</p>
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		<title>By: sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In relation to comment #12: No aspersions on those who like Babywise, but it's a pretty controversial program - do a google on the author and you'll see what I mean - and it can be very divisive. 

Personally I think the 'Boundaries boys' Cloud and Townsend do better stuff on childrearing - 'Boundaries for Kids' and 'Boundaries in marriage' and 'Raising Great Kids' are all fantastic books - and I've never noticed any hierarchical stuff in their writing. (Am I wrong?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In relation to comment #12: No aspersions on those who like Babywise, but it&#8217;s a pretty controversial program - do a google on the author and you&#8217;ll see what I mean - and it can be very divisive. </p>
<p>Personally I think the &#8216;Boundaries boys&#8217; Cloud and Townsend do better stuff on childrearing - &#8216;Boundaries for Kids&#8217; and &#8216;Boundaries in marriage&#8217; and &#8216;Raising Great Kids&#8217; are all fantastic books - and I&#8217;ve never noticed any hierarchical stuff in their writing. (Am I wrong?)</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Leman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Leman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 22:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Is this an issue of gender or an issue of the church’s response to higher education?

Are programs for men more likely to contain intellectual discussion and academic subjects?&lt;/i&gt;

I'm not sure that church programs for men are more likely to be more intellectual than programs for women. I think that the church, the conservative church, anyway, lost much of its intellectual moorings during the end of the 19th century. And we've never fully recovered since. In many circles it's almost an oxymoron to have the words "intellectual" and "conservative" or "evangelical" (not to mention "fundamentalist") in the same sentence.

Fortunately, there are exceptions to the rule, but conservatives are, in general, I think afraid of using their minds when it comes to church and the Bible. And that is such a pity.

Of course, it has been assumed, based on conservative interpretations of the Bible (at least since the middle of the 20th century or so), that women's "proper" place is in the home and not pursuing academic careers. So there is that mountain to overcome as well. And that is another pity. I think that the best students in my Greek classes in Bible school were the 4 or 5 females who were allowed to take the courses. But what would they be allowed to do with that training?

My speciality is Bible translation. Fortunately, there have been hundreds of intelligent, perseverant, and intellectual women who have done wonderful Bible translation around the world. They have often helped translate the Bible where no men were available to go. And the doors were open for them to do that work overseas. But the doors have generally been closed for women to do Bible translation work in their home countries. There have been very, very few women who have been on English Bible translation committees. Again, such a pity! Such a loss for the church, for women, as well as for men who could benefit from what women can contribute intellectually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Is this an issue of gender or an issue of the church’s response to higher education?</p>
<p>Are programs for men more likely to contain intellectual discussion and academic subjects?</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that church programs for men are more likely to be more intellectual than programs for women. I think that the church, the conservative church, anyway, lost much of its intellectual moorings during the end of the 19th century. And we&#8217;ve never fully recovered since. In many circles it&#8217;s almost an oxymoron to have the words &#8220;intellectual&#8221; and &#8220;conservative&#8221; or &#8220;evangelical&#8221; (not to mention &#8220;fundamentalist&#8221;) in the same sentence.</p>
<p>Fortunately, there are exceptions to the rule, but conservatives are, in general, I think afraid of using their minds when it comes to church and the Bible. And that is such a pity.</p>
<p>Of course, it has been assumed, based on conservative interpretations of the Bible (at least since the middle of the 20th century or so), that women&#8217;s &#8220;proper&#8221; place is in the home and not pursuing academic careers. So there is that mountain to overcome as well. And that is another pity. I think that the best students in my Greek classes in Bible school were the 4 or 5 females who were allowed to take the courses. But what would they be allowed to do with that training?</p>
<p>My speciality is Bible translation. Fortunately, there have been hundreds of intelligent, perseverant, and intellectual women who have done wonderful Bible translation around the world. They have often helped translate the Bible where no men were available to go. And the doors were open for them to do that work overseas. But the doors have generally been closed for women to do Bible translation work in their home countries. There have been very, very few women who have been on English Bible translation committees. Again, such a pity! Such a loss for the church, for women, as well as for men who could benefit from what women can contribute intellectually.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2007/03/loving-god-with-all-of-your-heart-soul-and-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-36535</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Marissa (comment 11)   I'm assuming you mean curricula which is good bible study material. The Life Guide Bible Studies by IVP have a huge variety of topics and books of the bible written by various authors (women and men) Inductive studies with extra info. and answers to questions. 

For study on the issue of biblical equality there is a study guide to accompany Gilbert Bilezekian's book "Beyond Sex Roles" and another good one is "Male &#38; Female in Christ" by Carrie A. Miles and Lawrence R. Iannaccone. Both of these are available from the CBE bookshop online (cbeinternational.org) Another good study is "Gender &#38; Giftedness" prepared for the Commission on Women's Concerns of the World Evangelical Fellowship by Marilyn B. (Lynn)Smith and is a very thorough study of the topic from several angles. Good for churches or individuals wanting to thoroughly research what the Bible really says. This book is also available from CBE or the Evangelical Alliance of Australia.

In answer to the request for good material for parenting. The On Becoming series (Babywise, Childwise etc.) are available from Amazon.com and while coming from a hierarchical background, it isn't presented in this secular series and the parenting guidelines are good common sense for both parents.

There is a page or two on 'gender appropriate toys' which you would want to ignore but that's all I have found to be un-helpful and the good overcomes the not-so-good bits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Marissa (comment 11)   I&#8217;m assuming you mean curricula which is good bible study material. The Life Guide Bible Studies by IVP have a huge variety of topics and books of the bible written by various authors (women and men) Inductive studies with extra info. and answers to questions. </p>
<p>For study on the issue of biblical equality there is a study guide to accompany Gilbert Bilezekian&#8217;s book &#8220;Beyond Sex Roles&#8221; and another good one is &#8220;Male &amp; Female in Christ&#8221; by Carrie A. Miles and Lawrence R. Iannaccone. Both of these are available from the CBE bookshop online (cbeinternational.org) Another good study is &#8220;Gender &amp; Giftedness&#8221; prepared for the Commission on Women&#8217;s Concerns of the World Evangelical Fellowship by Marilyn B. (Lynn)Smith and is a very thorough study of the topic from several angles. Good for churches or individuals wanting to thoroughly research what the Bible really says. This book is also available from CBE or the Evangelical Alliance of Australia.</p>
<p>In answer to the request for good material for parenting. The On Becoming series (Babywise, Childwise etc.) are available from Amazon.com and while coming from a hierarchical background, it isn&#8217;t presented in this secular series and the parenting guidelines are good common sense for both parents.</p>
<p>There is a page or two on &#8216;gender appropriate toys&#8217; which you would want to ignore but that&#8217;s all I have found to be un-helpful and the good overcomes the not-so-good bits.</p>
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		<title>By: Marissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems to be a widespread problem. Can anyone recommend curriculum that has been helpful?</description>
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