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Egalitarianism and Homeschooling- One Member’s Personal Story

Filed under: Education, Family, Gender Equality, Personal Story — Guest at 11:00 am on Friday, April 20, 2007

Karen Till, CBE member and friend, is the author of this post about being a homeschool parent and an egalitarian.

My journey towards equality and gift-based leadership began about three years ago when I read Cunningham and Hamilton’s book, Why Not Women. I was ready for it. At the time I was struggling with much of what the “homeschool way” was teaching about gender roles. I see now that God was preparing my heart.

We have homeschooled our children for 14 years. We have 5 children—our oldest graduated a year ago and our youngest just started school this year. When we began we felt called and challenged by the Lord. I was delighted to take the task on and thrilled to have my kids with me instead of sending them away. My dream to have a family and be a stay-at-home mom, just like my mom, was being fulfilled. A lot of people thought that we were strange to venture out this way. We live in Canada and the homeschool movement came a little later for us than in the USA.

When I got married my husband was a new Christian from a family where his parents both worked. When I announced that I was going to stay at home and be a homemaker I think that they thought I was pretty lazy. Then the home schooling thing came up and I’m sure they thought I was crazy. That’s a bit of a background on our journey.

The homeschool community is a culture, religion—to some a cult—in itself. I loved many aspects but certain things were hard to understand. For example, many people thought women should dress very modestly and with head coverings. Definitely the more “earthy” you were the better: grind your own grain, natural foods, bake your own bread. Many also believed that couples should let God plan their family – and I mean no interference on your part—because it showed you had more faith. Moms should stay at home while dads provided for the family. All of these were what proved you were a godly woman. Of course, you needed to do this all with great delight and in an organized fashion.

I began to have difficulty with this culture as our children got older and their gender roles began to be more defined. It was both implied and explicitly stated that there are certain things our boys must do, because they are boys and they will one day be leaders. Our girls must learn to be good homemakers because that is their place in life. I started to feel pressure about how my kids behaved and what they wore. We were not a family that believed that girls must wear dresses, but many of our friends did. Then the whole courtship idea started bouncing around. It is assumed that your children will marry because…. they must, and certainly the daughters must marry. I didn’t know if I wanted to find spouses for my children. It is a scary thing to be responsible for putting people together. I think that God did a great thing when he created romance. I would rather let it take its course. Courtship in many ways seemed like a patriarchal concept.

The pressure got more and more intense and I resisted. I began to question and see flaws in this thinking. God showed me that our spirituality is not caught up in our gender and certainly it isn’t about the clothes we wear. I knew I was a Spirit-filled believer and I really believed that God used women in his kingdom—I wasn’t sure if they could be leaders but I believed that women could “speak” in church.

Truly, my reformation began in a very dry, empty time of my life when I was so thirsty for something more. Through a series of events I ended up going to hear Loren Cunningham (founder of Youth With A Mission—YWAM) speak. I am a YWAM-er from the early ‘80s. Many things tried to keep me from attending that meeting—my friend backed out, my husband didn’t want to come with me, there was a winter blizzard and the drive was quite a long one in a snowstorm. I went anyway and I bought a package deal of his books, hoping I would find something for my thirsty soul. Little did I know that one of the books in the package deal, Why Not Women would change my life.

“Why do you still homeschool?” is quite a loaded question and one that I am asked often. I am not sure that my egalitarian views really change the reasons that we began to home school in the first place. I am still an advocate of educating at home because I believe that it is a viable option. I think there are benefits and drawbacks to both homeschooling and public (or private) education. I certainly do not believe it’s the only way or that it is God’s best way for the Christian family. It is one way that we can choose and each family should be able to decide for themselves. I think that there is a unique quality that the kids gain from being at home but too much sheltering is not healthy either. Children must learn to relate to many different kinds of people and situations and our children certainly do. They play with neighborhood kids from diverse backgrounds. They work in stores and restaurants. Our extended family has very different views than our immediate family and the kids have been exposed to many ideas. In regards to egalitarian thinking, I am trying to teach the kids a balanced view of roles—where both sexes can do anything and should be willing to serve others. We have three boys and two girls. I have stressed more then ever that my boys get good at household chores so that they will be able to serve in their home. They are good helpers and very knowledgeable about house work.

I still believe in homeschooling, although I do not fit in with most in the community. I have discontinued much of my contact with the other women because it is too difficult. Several used to go to our church but they recently left because our elders changed the constitution to allow for women to be able to take elder positions. For me, those relationships had been very stressful over the last few years. I felt like I couldn’t, and didn’t want to, measure up to their expectations of what kind of a woman I should be.

Our church has become a safe place for me and I love the changes and growth the community has made. I would say we are an emerging church and that concept thrills me as much as the equality issue does. I love that the sides of the box have been blown off. My journey is so much more than I ever dreamed and I believe that equality must happen in our worldview for us to be able to take the next step in what God is doing worldwide in us—the Church.

My husband and I don’t see eye-to-eye on all of these changes in thinking. In the beginning he was more open to the equality issue but lately it has been difficult. He has some friends that are very traditional in their thinking and they do influence him on the issue. Change isn’t easy for any of us. Nevertheless, I have decided that I will not stop learning and I will seek God about what He wants to do with me. I want to be available to God’s leading and I know that He will work out the details.

As for homeschooling—we continue to do what we have done for years. I just helped my 14-year-old son with a paper that he had to write on the “Famous Five”—a group of women who fought for women to be considered part of the word “persons” in our constitution. They also were leaders of the suffrage movement in Canada. I was thrilled to see that my son was learning about women leaders and their place in our history. He follows the required curriculum for our province and does his studies online as do all our children. What an incredible opportunity for me as a mother.

Almost a year ago now I noticed that some of the comments about home educators on the CBE Blog were negative (for lack of a better word). Most people in the homeschool community are traditional and patriarchal and I was embarrassed to be lumped together with them. I do believe that egalitarian views and homeschooling can co-exist. However it is not the norm. If you know people that are homeschooling please do not write them off as people who will never be open to thinking differently. Many highly educated women have given up their careers to be stay-at-home moms and homeschool moms because they believe in serving their family in this specific way. This does not mean they have sold themselves short or that they do not believe in careers for women—it is just the choice they have made. While some home educators are definitely closed to the idea of equality and freedom from subordination, you never know—God can get our attention in unexpected ways.

Things have evolved in our journey in this issue—for me I continue to learn and love all that I am finding out about biblical equality.

31 Comments »

Comment by JLP

April 20, 2007 @ 12:22 pm

Karen,

I found your article on homeschooling and egalitarianism very interesting. It’s not an issue I had focused on much, so this was new information for me.

Comment by Mary

April 20, 2007 @ 1:45 pm

This is the first time I have made a comment on this site. I have enjoyed reading the articles on this site. I am a homeschooler also. We are egalitarian, too. The writer is correct. It is hard to find a kindred spirit in the homeschooling world. There are a few people like us, but sometimes, in the bible belt area, it seems hard to find them. We homeschool because we want to. My son is 15 and my daughter will be 11 soon. I will go back to school at some point to get my bachelor’s and I will want a career. I don’t work right now, because there are not many jobs I would want to do for the pay that is given, in the area where I live. I truly enjoy the CBE website. It is a delight.

Comment by Shawna R. B. Atteberry

April 20, 2007 @ 2:27 pm

Karen, thank you for telling us your story. I read a blog of a mom who homeschools while she and her husband pursue doctoral degrees at Duke (don’t ask me how she does it. I barely got through seminary with just me to take care of). I thought you and Mary might like to have contact with another egalitarian homeschooling mom: scsours.

Comment by Kathryn

April 20, 2007 @ 3:22 pm

Thank you for your unique egalitarian perspective on this. I have commented on this issue before. I am not a fan of the national drive to homeschool because the emphasis is on keeping the mother at home (in her place) under the guise of education. I know that there are fathers who homeschool, but your posting confirms my suspicions about this. For the most part, they really do seem to push strict “gender roles”. I logged on to some of their websites. They talk about “Homeschool Moms”, not “Homeschool Dads” or “Parents”. I am grateful that you are not a part of that. You are teaching your children to “love one another”, & to see history through the eyes of women who lived it. It is so important for kids to see men and women modeling that “balance” you spoke of. God bless you as you continue to be open to His leadership. It is a great journey. I am still “traveling”.

Comment by Mindy

April 20, 2007 @ 6:10 pm

Thanks for your thoughtful comments, Karen! I was homeschooled in a traditional environment and chose egalitarianism after college. I still support homeschooling for the educational benefits (I don’t have kids), but find I have to explain my position carefully so as not to be misinterpreted as endorsing patriarchal views. Keep studying, leading, and being such a strong role model for your children and others watching you. I hope someday many more homeschooling families will be like you!

Comment by Adrienne

April 20, 2007 @ 6:24 pm

I was so glad to see this issue addressed! I am a proud egalitarian who has been homeschooling for nearly 5 years now. I graduated from seminary before I had my 2 children and made the choice to stay home and educate them. Honestly, some days are difficult and I long to be able to “use my degree”. But, at the same time, I just couldn’t put my kids in regular school. Maybe my husband and I will at some point, I don’t know. I know of no other homeschoolers who share my egalitarian view and that hurts my heart. I
feel alone. It is important to get the word out that homeschooling is NOT synonymous with patriarchy!! Stand strong egalitarian homeschoolers!!!

Comment by Carla

April 20, 2007 @ 10:29 pm

Thank you for your article! I do not homeschool at this time but I am a stay at home mom. I recently had a troubling conversation with a dear friend who homeschools her 4 daughters. It really got me thinking about what I would do/how I would fit in to the “homeschooling world” were I to venture that way especially with regard to gender issues. I saw her reason for homeschooling to keep her daughters from things–to shelter them. If I were to homeschool, it would be to give them MORE then what they can get in traditional schooling. She doesn’t really see any purpose in encouraging her daughters to go to college–at least it’s not a priority–preparing them to be moms and wives is her greatest concern. While I consider my roles as wife and mother extremely important, they are not my only roles–I had many career years prior to motherhood and plan on more careers when my kids are older. Besides, my college years, aside from academically and career-prep enriching, were LIFE-enriching and made me the person I am today in Christ–including the kind of mom and wife I am.

Thank you for your thoughtful article. I hope that if I do homeschool one day, I can connect with folks like you!

Comment by Alice R. Maxson

April 21, 2007 @ 1:59 pm

I was part of the early homeschool movement in the US. My children are now in their 30s. Homeschooling my children allowed me to both teach them myself, and also develop my own ministry calling. I am now an ordained pastor/director of a mission to suburbia here in Washington. Homeschooling, like anything else, is what you make it. We made it a family ministry that grew into a formal ministry. God bless you and your family.

Comment by Julia

April 21, 2007 @ 4:09 pm

Karen,
Thank you so much for your insightful blog. I was homeschooled from 4th grade through high school, and I daily count the blessings of that incredible gift that my parents gave to me.
Although my parents were not overtly egalitarian, our family did not fit into the homeschool stereotypes either. I grew up surrounded by many complementarian, homeschooling families, and I tended to follow their examples during my teenage years. However, my parents laid the solid foundations of questioning sources, being an independent thinker, and always searching for more to learn, and these led me to an understanding of my full and equal status as a beautiful child of God. I look forward to the day when I will be able to give my children a similar blessing by providing them with a home education.

Comment by Karen DH

April 21, 2007 @ 6:49 pm

I am a homeschooler who graduated from a conservative seminary graduate school and also have found that there is a close-mindedness in a lot of homeschoolers due in part to ignorance and a lack of Biblical scholarship, i.e., the heart of God as revealed in the original languages and the whole of Scripture, investigating what theologians say on both sides of the issue, serious prayer and searching, and apathy. I was once there, so I am not too hard on them! I think that some homeschoolers will hold on to traditions for traditions’sake (Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for this )instead at looking at what God was doing in their generation to promote The Kingdom. Sometimes there is a mix-up between cultural issues and what is God’s Word.

Comment by Diane

April 21, 2007 @ 7:23 pm

Karen, thank you for posting this. I, too am a homeschool mom and most of my homeschool friends are patriarchal in their views. I do enjoy the mutual encouragement we share on homeschooling issues, but I find that usually I stand alone on issues of equality in marriage and church. Even in cases of abuse (a dear friend was asked to leave the house at 9pm, she had no place to go, but in her opinion she was submitting to her husband, and her “submission was pleasing to the Lord - I lovingly told her differently) my friends still remained unmoved in their thinking on submission and blamed women for marital conflict. I also want to add that I haven’t met many women who aren’t homeschooling that are egalitarian in their views either.

Re: Comment #4:

The homeschool movement made parents aware that there is another option in educating their children, and homeschooling is very diverse because each family homeschools for different reasons it is not a “national drive to keep a woman in her place”. The women I met felt called to educate their children at home and I personally have never met a woman who homeschooled, who did it because she felt pressured to do it.

Comment by dawn

April 22, 2007 @ 2:49 pm

Karen,
I am so proud and amazed at your growth in this area. When I first met you, and I was exploring the possibilities of homeschooling my children, you made an off hand comment that you didn’t understand how other christians could send their children to public school. You have changed so much and have been an amazing influence on me. You have allowed yourself to ask questions and not believe everything that you have been told your whole life. I, through your influence, have also learned so much about who I am in Christ as a person,and how much He loves me. I am not just here to be at home and serve only my husband and kids. You have encouraged me to question my old beliefs- and as a result, I feel that I now can freely fulfill my dream of pursuing an education and am going back to school. I’m thankful for all the things I have learned and for the TRUTH of God’s acceptance of me.

Comment by Melaina Wiker

April 23, 2007 @ 7:49 am

It was very encouraging to read your post. I made the decision to be a stay at home mom when we saw some definite needs of our daughter who was two or three at the time. My husband made more money than I did, so it was a natural decision for us. It isn’t easy to stay at home and take care of the children when my heart desires to do so many other things.

Our oldest daughter entered the public school system which I thought would be a little freeing for me, but I still had a little one to take care of which continued to keep me at home. That year of school I was frustrated with the how my daughter was educated. Her gifts were ignored and she had way too much energy for the teacher. She was ahead academically, so the year was more of practice than anything else.

I decided to home educate her the following year. She went at her own pace and did two grades in one yearb (her decision).

This year we decided to try a Christian school for academic purposes. She has been an honor student all year, which is great, but I am considering home educating her again next year. in this Christian school there are definite lines of what a girl should do and what a boy should do. This became apparent thwn she had an issue with a fellow student who was bullying her. The teachers and aides basically told her to go play with the other girls, even though it was not her fault. She has friends who are boys and it upsets her that she is told she can’t play with them because someone else is acting inappropriatly. My daughter has said that she would like to be a preacher, and I worry that she will be told she can’t do that. I have always told her “girls can be anything boys can be, except be a boy”. I think this teaches her respect for her feminine features, a role God has already given her. She can climb as many trees as she likes and wear her pants thin around the knees searching for bugs, but she will always be a girl. I asked her why she prefers to play with the boys and she replied, “the girls are boring, they just sit around and tell me I dresse like a boy and make fun of me for acting like a boy”. Where does this come from? My daughter wears pink with braids. This is the only private school we can afford, so a college prep is out of the question.

I have a dream of starting a baking business, but I don’t want to hinder my daughters. Public education can be just as sexist. I am convinced the sexism we see in the church/(Christian schools) is just a reflection of the world seeping through. The consumerism has taken over, and marketing is making it clear what is appropriate for boys and girls. These defined roles that we see in the world and in our own churches are rooted in greed. I have a really tough decision to make for this year coming. Do I explore my dreams, or do I make a sacrifice for my children so that they can pursue their own dreams?

When I home educated my daughter last year I didn’t bother getting involved with any homeschool groups. I live in Lancaster County and it is very patriarchal. A friend of mine has told me she has to teach her daughters how to clean and cook, more so than I, because her daughters are going to be wives and mothers one day and need to learn that for their career at home. Talk about pressure! What if they do not get married, or are physically unable to concieve? I teach all my children to cook and clean because that is a basic human need, and teaching my daughters to respect and serve all people will definitely come in handy in all relationships, especially marriage if that is what they choose. My specialty happens to be baking, so I am most definitely going to teach my daughters what I know, regardless of whether they will be an artist, preacher, golfer, pilot, or astronaut. I am old fashioned in the fact that I bake from scratch and have a garden and harvest herbs. But this is what I love, and I wouldn’t change it for the world and I wouldn’t let anyone tell me otherwise, not even egalitarians. Isn’t that what we are suppose to tell our children, to do anything your heart desires?

Comment by Jesse

April 23, 2007 @ 1:45 pm

Karen, you aren’t totally alone. Susan Wise Bauer is a homeschooling mom who writes classical curriculum for homeschoolers. She is quite well known in the homeschooling world. Last year when she “came out” as an egalitarian, there was quite a buzz in the patriarchal homeschooling contingent of the blogosphere. Many bloggers got quite nasty, and some even called for homeschoolers to boycott her materials. Her materials are unparalleled, however, and I think many homeschoolers continue to choose them because they are so excellent.

Comment by Kathryn

April 23, 2007 @ 4:09 pm

It is not surprising to find that homeschooling is surrounded by a patriarchal structure, since their assumption is usually that a mother’s place is in the home; however, it is gratifying to see egalitarian views reflected and being taught in such a setting. I hope that everyone considers the possibility that Dads can be stay-at-home homeschool parents.

Comment by Kathryn

April 23, 2007 @ 8:25 pm

I am only concerned that we as egalitarians will not inadvertently become absorbed into a patriarchal “educational” trend without realizing it. It is possible to be consciously egalitarian and still be subconsciously affected by cultural values that tell us that stay-at-home parents are moms. These values can seep into our thinking through TV ads, old TV shows, and other venues, without us even being aware of it. It’s even more likely if we were reared with such values. Patriarchs know that the vast majority of homeschool parents are be moms not dads. Patriarchs understand those cultural values and how we are affected by them, even subconciously; thus homeschooling can be a powerful weapon against equality. Please don’t be offended by my statements.

Thanks to all of you here who are firmly committed to Biblical equality and the best way to educate your children, whether you homeschool or not. Homeschooling doesn’t have to have a political agenda at all. As was pointed out above, it is a viable option, even if I myself don’t particularly like it (for several reasons).

I know you will continue to seek God’s leadership in all areas of your life, including the education of your children. However He leads you, I urge you to walk into that way with confidence. After all, as it says in God’s Word: “The steps of the righteous are ordered of God…”.

Comment by Patricia

April 23, 2007 @ 9:01 pm

I am so relieved to read this article. I currently homeschool and have found the Utah Christian (non-Mormon)homeschooling group to be traditional, including the focus on roles for each gender. Obviously I teach and model a variety of functions for genders. After reading this I feel much more supported and encouraged. Thanks.

Comment by Liz

April 24, 2007 @ 8:17 am

Thanks for writing of your experience Karen. It’s very encouraging because here in Australia, homeschooling for Christians goes hand in hand with patriarchy and conservatism as far as our experience has shown. It’s wonderful to read how God has shown you truths even when surrounded with such a strong group of people who think otherwise. I’m sure you will have been mightily encouraged by all the posts and especially to read of other egalitarian homeschooling parents.

Sometimes I think it’s not worth bringing up the issue of equality with homeschooling parents because I assume they’re fixed in their views but maybe there are others out there (even in Australia) who think like you do.

Comment by Lori

April 25, 2007 @ 3:54 am

Reading your story has been a breath of fresh air, Karen. Thank you for sharing it. Unfortunately,
I had always had a very negative view of the homeschooling movement before this, just because I’ve seen too many people in it using it as an excuse to keep women in the home. I’ll never forget a story I read in [em]Christianity Today[/em]. The article itself was about the complementary vs. egalitarian debate. However, they profiled this headship couple who also homeschooled. The wife said she did it because she and her spouse felt she had the gift of teaching. Well and good. However, then the wife continued and said that if her husband ever wanted to take over, she would let him, even though he didn’t have the same gift, because “it’s more important for the children to see male leadership being modeled in the home.” So, basically what this woman said was that she would set her aside her own gifting and calling because it was more important for her children to see her obeying her husband. Amazing. And patriarchy is supposed to be a God-ordained institution?

Comment by sally

April 26, 2007 @ 8:35 pm

I’m really surprised by the number of readers of this blog who do homeschool. It must be more common than I thought! Does anyone have any stats on it?

Comment by Karen T

April 27, 2007 @ 1:08 am

This has been amazing. I had no idea there were a number of other homeschoolers who were also egalitarian. I should have known that God was likely working elsewhere and not just in me. That sounds very egotistical, but I really don’t mean it that way. I remember when I began to be “enlightened” in this thinking that God was telling me a really big secret. Finally after I had read volumes of articles and several books it dawned on my that he must have shared the secret with many others first - hence the books I was reading. It’s exciting when God shares new truth with us and we feel so special. I think somehow He must be delighted too!!

There is so much that I could and want to comment on. #16 particularily got me thinking about the concern that homeschooling can be a powerful weapon against equality. I am not offended by this statement at all. I really can’t say that I agree with it because its built on the premise that the only reason that people choose to homeschool is to keep the woman at home. I know that is usually not the reason families choose to homeschool - at least not where the husband is making his wife stay at home to educate the children so that she won’t be “running” around doing God knows what!

On the other hand it might be a way that the wife/mom gets to stay at home rather than going out and finding a job. I really believe that some women want to stay at home and do the “mom” thing as we know it whether that invovles home education or not. I personally don’t feel threatened in my egalitarian views by that. I do feel threatened when people assume that I must take on certain hat and wear it on the premise that God’s word says so.

Many people home educate because they are concerned for their children’s safety - physical, emotional and spiritual. There will always be people that don’t approve of “sheltering” kids, but whether right or wrong it can be a reason for home education.

I don’t want to see us caught up with what we can and cannot do as an egalitarians. We need to be confident in who we are and treat others with the same level of respect. We need to givr people the room to grow, change, get messy and make mistakes. I come from the rules and regulaltions of the traditional homeschool world and I don’t want fall into thinking that now that I am journeying in egalitarianism I must not do certain things that give the impression that I am still one of them. For example most extremely traditional women always wear dresses and keep their hair long. Would they have to change this aspect of their life if they decided to join the ranks of the egalitarians? I hope not, unless they wanted to of course. If they need to be set free in an area then they will be set free by God who brought them this far.

I remember that hardest thing that I faced when I was deeply involved in the home school mentality (10 years ago now) was that I always felt judgemental towards anyone that did “life” different then we did. The problem was that we were convinced that this was God’s way - His very best. We belived it was the pattern laid out in the OT and who could argue with that? I hated these feelings. We had friends that weren’t choosing to home school and in my mind there was something wrong with their walk with God. Its pretty sad isn’t it? I couldn’t see how good Christian people could live contrary to God’s word. I was deceived, uneducated and unwilling to look into these very important issues myself. But I was searching and God in His grace knew that my heart wanted the truth. I wasn’t mean or harsh to any of these people that I “judged” -they didn’t even know that I was doing this. It was an inward struggle and I am glad to be rid of that - but now I need to be careful to not be harsh on the old crowd.

Blessings to all of us as we journey together!!

Comment by Kathryn

April 27, 2007 @ 3:50 pm

Re: comment # 19: Lori, your comment illustrates very clearly what I was trying to say in comments 15 & 16. It is hard to believe that any husband in such a patriarchal marriage as you describe would stay at home, even to teach the kids, because after all the mother’s “place” is in the home in such a system. It’s amazing that the wife would think that such a thing could ever happen in her family. After all, that isn’t his “role”, according to the hierarchalists.

Comment by Doug Anderson

April 28, 2007 @ 6:53 am

I find it sad that some think homeschooling and egalitarianism cannot go hand in hand. I am a father of three girls who are homeschooled. I stayed home with them for a year, but it made sense for me to go back to work because of my earning potential (I have a M.A. and my wife, by choice, has an A.A.)

In truth, we have almost never run into this ultra-conservative movement in the people we know that homeschool. Instead we have found people who are committed to the highest quality of education for their children.

My wife knows that she would have my full support to go back to work tomorrow if she so chose. She (and I) believe the best option is for her to stay home and raise our children. I would be the first to tell you that if it made sense for me to stay home and her to work, we would do it.

Comment by Kathryn

April 30, 2007 @ 4:20 pm

Re: comment # 23:
Doug, thank you for being open to the idea that a husband can be the stay-at-home parent. Of course, your wife may never earn as much as you do; she is a woman. Unfortunately, the time spent at home may count against her if she should ever go back into the workforce since it is still “woman’s work”, and women have been traditionally undervalued. Yes I know that there are things that are more important than money, but I personally believe that the at-home time should count as job experience when filling out an application or going for an interview. It is amazing what the stay at home parent (dad or mom) does on a daily basis. Truly management-level, I should think, over a matter of time. Of course, it isn’t the only consideration, but the corporate world should make it count, if you ask me. At least it shouldn’t count against them.

Re: comment # 21:
Karen, thank you for sharing your journey with us. I agree that folks on either side of this issue can be harsh and critica. I think you misunderstood what I said in comment # 16. I did not say that the only reason anyone ever homeschools is to keep the wife at home in her “place”. I personally have known several families who homeschooled, although they didn’t always share their reasons for doing so. Some were even ahead of their time more than 20 years ago. I said that the national homeschool movement seems to be spearheaded by a political agenda to keep women “in their place” at home; thus the HS curriculum seems to be aimed at “moms”, not “moms or dads” or “parents” . I think that some of these homeschool moms, even egalitarian ones, subconciously assume for cultural reasons that moms should be the stay-at-home parent. That is why homeschooling can be a weapon against equality, even though it doesn’t have to be. I am not fond of homeschooling for several reasons, but what a shame that something with some potential for good is being used in such a negative way.

Again, my thanks to all homeschool parents who embrace egalitarianism and vigorously reject this patriarchal agenda.

Comment by Linda

May 4, 2007 @ 10:41 pm

I am yet another egalitarian home educator who happily stumbled upon your post. I too am surrounded by patriarchal families, which can be very lonely in some ways, but I still find ample room to enjoy their fellowship. Overall, I greatly value the character of my children’s homeschooled friends, in spite of how hierarchical their family structure is, because the children have such a passion for life, respect for adults, sincere walk with the Lord, and ambition to great things with their lives.

I plant seeds for egalitarianism in my homeschool community whenever I can, but have learned that change is very slow in this area. One strong encouragement I have is my oldest son, age 17,–a robust leader and gifted speaker–who has researched and embraced egalitarian values. He loves an uphill battle, and has already become a voice for equality to his male friends and an unexpected solace for some of his female friends who have never before heard the egalitarian side of Christianity.

Take heart egalitarian homeschoolers! You can make a profound difference in how the church treats women by rocking the cradle well and rearing children who understand God’s heart for women.

Comment by Anne

May 7, 2007 @ 5:48 pm

Hi all -
What an encouragement to read all of your postings on this topic ! Manna in the wilderness !
A large part of our decision to homeschool was our desire for our children to NOT be forced into a cookie-cutter mold, but to find their own learning styles in freedom. We embraced the “unschooling” ideas of John Holt, within a Christian framework. We tried to encourage exploration, lots of questions and hands-on learning.
Yes, we also have encountered the neo-patriarchalist attitudes and teachings. But, with God’s help, we have found our own way of learning and growing together as a family - with all members having an equal voice and mutual respect for each other. Homeschooling is more than just an educational choice. For us it’s been a journey and adventure.
I thank the LORD for each and every one of you !
God bless.

Comment by Karen T

May 9, 2007 @ 11:21 pm

Linda,
I am encouraged to find that you are able to still stay connected to friends within the patriarchal community. I too did that for quite some time but I was in a situation where a couple of the moms were very outspoken against some of our choices. ie. not forcing my daughter to be in the kitchen and tend the younger children because she really didn’t like to do those things; Allowing our children to go to our co-ed youth group at our church with public schooled kids; not being legalistic about music or dress (modest yes but not victorian era)
So, I chose to withdraw. I found that the constant battle was too draining for me and I had friends in other circles. My children still fellowship with those same kids at times and they are great kids.
Your comment at the end about planting seeds in the homeschool community is so true. It is slow and I think that our kids will have more success with the kids of the patriarchal families because they are more open to change. In the meantime I am taking my voice to people at church and other connections - who thought because I was a homeschool parent that I obviously held the same views. I am beginning to speak when an opportunity comes up and not be afraid of what they think. It is intimidating, but the more I learn and read - from so many of you very wise and learned people - the more I am able to articulate my thoughts and ideas.

To all of you: Thank you so much for all your incredible work, studying and research. I don’t know where I would have learned so much if I literally hadn’t stumbled upon the CBE website. Like I said my first book on this subject was Why Not Women? by Cunningham and Hamilton. I googled Hamilton’s name and it linked me to CBE. You can’t believe how surprised I was to find out how many people were going down this path I was now on and many years before me. This “enlightenment” really began to flourish in the Evangelical world when I was just starting my married life. I would have liked to start out my family life knowing what I know now - but we can’t turn back the hands of time - we can however influence and shed light into the lives of the generations to come.
Bless you

Comment by LaDonna Sasscer

May 10, 2007 @ 1:05 pm

I have been home schooling for eleven years now. I have to admit that there is a strong splinter group of patriarchial home school families, but it is hardly the norm in my experience. But then, I do live in a big city.

My husband works from home, and he is as involved as he cares to be. Today he listened to my son read aloud his Bible, and then they had a great discussion which led to more exploration of the Word of God. He helps my oldest with her trig, but I personally love teaching and would hate it if I couldn’t spend my days exactly as I now spend them.

I find home schooling, in fact the whole full-time parenting bit- the chaffuering, throwing the parties, volunteering for the camping trips, etc.-to be the most amazing and fulfilling experience ever, and I am thrilled to have the privilege of living my dreams. The only way it would be better was if I could get paid to do it in hard cash, but the fact that society does not value my work does not make my work less valuable. (I love parenting so much we host foreign exchange students so I can have even more teens to love on.)

I must confess I am starting out a tad offended, with all those comments about home schooling demanding that “a woman’s place is in the home”, as if it is somehow bad for a woman to be anywhere she feels she should be, INCLUDING the home! Am I now obligated to spend my days in the marketplace to prove my commitment to egalitarianism? Hmmmmm.

My fiercely independent daughter and my mohawk-wearing son have put us at odds with the vast majority of “Christian” home school groups here in the Southern city where we live, but there are plenty of other home schoolers out there. My suggestion to those favoring the close family relationships and the freedom for their children to grow up without being “institutionalized” : join a secular home school group.

There are plenty of groups out there open to all, and the advantage to joining these groups is learning about how other (non-Christian)families live. The advantage, as a true believer, is that we get love these people, pray for them, be a real witness to them by our love and our lives, and sometimes even are asked to explain our faith. It’s a wonderful way of life.

Comment by Mary

May 11, 2007 @ 8:08 am

Wow! Even I didn’t realize there were many out there like me! Within the group I am in, there is probably 1 or 2 that think like me. The rest, would probably be “soft complimentarians”. But, I am still careful in the subjects I bring up, because some folks take offense. I do have to say, my husband tries to be involved with our schooling. His job is such that he can take our kids with him from time to time. It’s a nice situation. They get to spend time with dad. It works for us. I guess that is what it all comes down to.

My spiritual upbringing was in in pentecostal church. My dad was a pastor. There was no “You can’t do this” stuff. None that I noticed. We did whatever was needed, wanted to do, and felt God was calling us to do. In fact, I was encouraged to do what God was calling me to do. My husband’s spiritual upbringing is “The Salvation Army”. Both his parents were (and still are, just retired) ministers. His brother and his wife are now both ministers in the Salvation Army, also. I thank God for their giftings and callings everyday. I thank God, as well, for mine.

I hope this doesn’t sound offputting-but I thank God that I was not raised in a “patriachal” household. My mom and dad make decisions together. They asked God what He would have them do. I truly am thankful for the liberty that I have. We are raising our children in the same way. No roles to be taught. Just obedience to God. Just a commitment to love and obey Him. Thanks for all the great comments on this blog! What encouragement you give. Please keep up the good work.

Comment by Crimson Wife

May 19, 2007 @ 1:58 am

I found this post through the “Culture Kitchen” blog and it’s a very interesting discussion. We are homeschoolers as well.

I’m not sure if I’m exactly an egalitarian but I’m definitely not patriarchal. I believe that men and women are equal before God, but not identical. I also believe there should be equity in a marriage but that doesn’t necessarily mean exactly 50/50. If a couple chooses a traditional male breadwinner & female homemaker that’s fine, as would be the opposite with a female breadwinner and a stay at home dad . Whatever arrangement that couple feels is best for them!

Raising children and keeping a home is valuable work even if it’s not paid and it makes me angry when certain feminists belittle it. Feminism was supposed to be about opening up choices for women, not forcing them all to pursue the traditional male model of full-time employment in a high-powered career.

The conservative fundamentalists may be the most vocal part of the homeschooling community, but they are no longer the majority. The #1 reason for homeschooling is now academics instead of religion (though for many like me religion does play an important role even if it’s not the primary impetus).

Comment by Jackie

September 3, 2007 @ 12:18 am

I am new to the CBE blog, bumped into this thread today and am thrilled to find other egalitarian homeschoolers. Sorry that this post is so late. I have been homeschooling my two children for seven years, since my oldest started kindergarten. I worked full-time as a self-employed string teacher until then and have continued a private studio in my home part-time while homeschooling. When I started homeschooling, I experienced a loss of camaraderie with full-time career moms in the church because I was doing something they could not relate to, and never made close inroads in fellowship with homeschool moms because I had a career and was egalitarian.

See comment 40923.

I … have found that there is a closed-mindedness in a lot of homeschoolers due in part to ignorance and a lack of biblical scholarship, i.e. the heart of God as revealed in the original languages and the whole of Scripture, investigating what theologians say on both sides of the issue, serious prayer and searching, and apathy. I was once there, so I am not too hard on them! I think that some homeschoolers will hold on to traditions for traditions’ sake (Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for this) instead of looking at what God was doing in their generation to promote the kingdom. Sometimes there is a mix-up between cultural issues and what God’s Word is.

I have found the same pervasive focus on traditions of man, rather than careful study of God’s Word.

See comment 41122.

I have a dream of starting a baking business, but I don’t want to hinder my daughters. Public education can be just as sexist. I am convinced the sexism we see in the church/Christian schools is just a reflection of the world seeping through. The consumerism has taken over, and marketing is making it clear what is appropriate for boys and girls. These defined roles that we see in the world and in our own churches are rooted in greed. I have a really tough decision to make for this year coming. Do I explore my dreams, or do I make a sacrifice for my children so that they can pursue their own dreams?

You can do both! I recommend reading The E-Myth by Michael Gerber. That and many other books can help you see a way to run a profitable business with few hours per week. I am now expanding into commercial studio space, hiring other teachers, teaching fewer students myself. It is lots of hours to launch in the beginning, but each year I can refine and work fewer hours. Ultimately, the goal of the business is for the owner to be able to be as passive as possible, almost like owning your own McDonald’s or Starbucks franchise where systems are in place to ensure profitability. You should explore your dreams, read lots, talk to other successful business owners, catalog your ideas for future reference, start test-marketing, refine your plans, and when the time is ripe - say during a long summer break - launch. I am doing my launch under the guidance of a mentor who has helped hundreds of studio owners nationwide.

See comment 41214.

Karen, you aren’t totally alone. Susan Wise Bauer is a homeschooling mom who writes classical curriculum for homeschoolers. She is quite well known in the homeschooling world.

This is good to know. I use her materials.

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