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		<title>By: HalsAngels</title>
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		<description>I stumbled on your post when looking up the word "Apex" which was told to me in a dream I had.I am not a nut or anything I promise..But i do have many dreams that come true. I was a little kid when people started walking up to me and my mom saying I was called and that I have the Gift of prophecy, discernment and healing..I am confused about my latest dream and as i have researched it lately I have been coming up with many sites about a womens equality.Perhaps i should share the dream so you will understand.I can't tell my whole life story here but believe me when I saw I know when to pay attention to my dreams.I've posted some stories on my blog if your interested..halsangelsonlife@blogspot.com

I saw in my dream two Egyptian Sphinx facing each other nose to nose and their backs to their heads formed a Pyramid. Then a Voice said when the Planets align over Stephenville Texas it will usher in the End of days for Israel. Then the voice repeatedly said the word "Apex." Why the Planets align over Stephenville ,Texas? You got me there. I have no clue.(I do know there was recent major U.F.O sightings there and apparently all the way back before we had airplanes.I don't believe in aliens but I do believe that demons appear as many things in order to take peoples eyes off Jesus) Anyway when the Planets align it will usher in the End of days for Israel(why it didn't say the world I don't know) When the Voice  repeated the word Apex over and over again it was obvious it was a word this voice wanted me to remember..I had no idea what it meant..

I woke up and talked to my grandma(the one who has spent half her life casting out demons) I asked her to look in her dictionary and see what it meant..She did and it means the highest point or peak..Which reminded me of the top of the pyramid. As I am writing I remember a verse I think in Prophecy(Revelation,Daniel or somewhere ) About there being a sign in Egypt  during the end of days. According to someone I read abouts theory, the Pyramids are a symbol of heaven..the kings chamber and the world,the ante chamber or hell..Also something about it's shafts being aligned with Orion belt.
I put in on a shelf in my mind and about a week after having the dream I was watching a show call Egypt Decoded: Deities and Demons and then another called the In Pagan Christ. The previous was about a priest who wrote a book about ow he noticed similarities in the story of Jesus and the myths of Ancient Egyptian gods.He believed in shows that Jesus wasn't a historical person. I on the other hand believe that as the Bible says He was and always will be. Anyway he found in Egypt the same stories such as a man who turns water in to wine,has twelve apostles,is killed and raised again. Almost all scholars do not agree of course but what I noticed was the similarity in the story of Osiris and Isis. Osiris was killed by his brother Seth. Then Isis his sister and wife used her magical powers to put him back together.She then makes a phallus from gold (I believe) and conceives a son named Horace.This Horace is who this priest compares Jesus to and Mary to Isis.
I then decided to look up the word from my dream that the Voice said and over, over, "Apex."on Wikpedia. Aside from the meaning my mother had read to me the morning after the dream it also stated that Apex is the name of the Solar Apex or the way or direction that the sun travels in our universe. Not the way the Earth travels around the Sun but the direction that the sun travels. It is in the direction on a space near the star Vega in the constellation Hercules. Vega by the way is the most well known star.It was the 1st to have many tests done on it.it has a planet that rotates it as well..Ok here is the Greek story...Athena obtained the seed of Hephaistos to conceive Erichthonios the Earth born one, who represents the reborn line of Cain out of the ground after the flood according to theparthenoncode.com and dancingfromgenesis.com..Just as the Egyptian story represents the same story of Cain and Abel and then Noah and the flood and the reborn seed of Cain after his death and the death of the Earth during the flood. 

I am a a single mother with three kids. My husband who seemed to have a real amazing gift to tell others about the Lord cheated on me when I was 5 months postpartum.The combination of stress,having 2 babies in two years,and Depo Provera as well as NuvaRing caused me to have a physical breakdown.My thyroid and endocrine system just quit working pretty much and i have been home a lot as this has now developed into Fibromyalgia and Chronic fatigue.I chose to keep my Vows to honor God and have stayed single 5years now.(our divorce was finalized a month ago)So all this time alone has renewed interests I had before I became Mrs. Lewis,Jimmy's wife. One being the Biblical beginning of what today is now changed.

 Learning about anything or any insight into real Biblical things like the real reason God made astrology, astronomy, and Ancient religions than you probably understand all this and maybe it means something to you? If so please let me know.

The final touch is I told my ex husband about the dream, he's a skeptic but has seen my dreams come true..he said he just changed his password to Apex!! A word he never uses..Nor do I! I got excited of course saying it was conformation and he said no it's not! It's a coincidence..I said it's a pretty darn big one! If anyone could help me understand I am absolutely fascinated.And I decided to look up the word Apex as related to the Sphinx. What I found was different posts on how the Sphinx represented a women I believe. I need to re read that as my 4yr old was not helping when I needed quiet but the point was that women where equal with men. Then I stumbled on a site tonight right before this one about how the Greek word kephalos is not translated a "Authority over." and that using it that way is a mistranslation..And Apex is also the head,it's the top of a religious hat,it's the top of the pyramid, and so much more..I am getting the though that with the Sphinx facing each other nose to nose and with them together only does a pyramid form that my dream may have more to do with my feelings of sub-servance to my husband and his call or my feelings of not being able to raise my kids without a father,or who knows maybe it means me and my husband should get back together before the End of days..As you can see I really need some help or insight here. My email is halsangels@live.com for any who could help..Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stumbled on your post when looking up the word &#8220;Apex&#8221; which was told to me in a dream I had.I am not a nut or anything I promise..But i do have many dreams that come true. I was a little kid when people started walking up to me and my mom saying I was called and that I have the Gift of prophecy, discernment and healing..I am confused about my latest dream and as i have researched it lately I have been coming up with many sites about a womens equality.Perhaps i should share the dream so you will understand.I can&#8217;t tell my whole life story here but believe me when I saw I know when to pay attention to my dreams.I&#8217;ve posted some stories on my blog if your <a href="mailto:interested..halsangelsonlife@blogspot.com">interested..halsangelsonlife@blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>I saw in my dream two Egyptian Sphinx facing each other nose to nose and their backs to their heads formed a Pyramid. Then a Voice said when the Planets align over Stephenville Texas it will usher in the End of days for Israel. Then the voice repeatedly said the word &#8220;Apex.&#8221; Why the Planets align over Stephenville ,Texas? You got me there. I have no clue.(I do know there was recent major U.F.O sightings there and apparently all the way back before we had airplanes.I don&#8217;t believe in aliens but I do believe that demons appear as many things in order to take peoples eyes off Jesus) Anyway when the Planets align it will usher in the End of days for Israel(why it didn&#8217;t say the world I don&#8217;t know) When the Voice  repeated the word Apex over and over again it was obvious it was a word this voice wanted me to remember..I had no idea what it meant..</p>
<p>I woke up and talked to my grandma(the one who has spent half her life casting out demons) I asked her to look in her dictionary and see what it meant..She did and it means the highest point or peak..Which reminded me of the top of the pyramid. As I am writing I remember a verse I think in Prophecy(Revelation,Daniel or somewhere ) About there being a sign in Egypt  during the end of days. According to someone I read abouts theory, the Pyramids are a symbol of heaven..the kings chamber and the world,the ante chamber or hell..Also something about it&#8217;s shafts being aligned with Orion belt.<br />
I put in on a shelf in my mind and about a week after having the dream I was watching a show call Egypt Decoded: Deities and Demons and then another called the In Pagan Christ. The previous was about a priest who wrote a book about ow he noticed similarities in the story of Jesus and the myths of Ancient Egyptian gods.He believed in shows that Jesus wasn&#8217;t a historical person. I on the other hand believe that as the Bible says He was and always will be. Anyway he found in Egypt the same stories such as a man who turns water in to wine,has twelve apostles,is killed and raised again. Almost all scholars do not agree of course but what I noticed was the similarity in the story of Osiris and Isis. Osiris was killed by his brother Seth. Then Isis his sister and wife used her magical powers to put him back together.She then makes a phallus from gold (I believe) and conceives a son named Horace.This Horace is who this priest compares Jesus to and Mary to Isis.<br />
I then decided to look up the word from my dream that the Voice said and over, over, &#8220;Apex.&#8221;on Wikpedia. Aside from the meaning my mother had read to me the morning after the dream it also stated that Apex is the name of the Solar Apex or the way or direction that the sun travels in our universe. Not the way the Earth travels around the Sun but the direction that the sun travels. It is in the direction on a space near the star Vega in the constellation Hercules. Vega by the way is the most well known star.It was the 1st to have many tests done on it.it has a planet that rotates it as well..Ok here is the Greek story&#8230;Athena obtained the seed of Hephaistos to conceive Erichthonios the Earth born one, who represents the reborn line of Cain out of the ground after the flood according to theparthenoncode.com and dancingfromgenesis.com..Just as the Egyptian story represents the same story of Cain and Abel and then Noah and the flood and the reborn seed of Cain after his death and the death of the Earth during the flood. </p>
<p>I am a a single mother with three kids. My husband who seemed to have a real amazing gift to tell others about the Lord cheated on me when I was 5 months postpartum.The combination of stress,having 2 babies in two years,and Depo Provera as well as NuvaRing caused me to have a physical breakdown.My thyroid and endocrine system just quit working pretty much and i have been home a lot as this has now developed into Fibromyalgia and Chronic fatigue.I chose to keep my Vows to honor God and have stayed single 5years now.(our divorce was finalized a month ago)So all this time alone has renewed interests I had before I became Mrs. Lewis,Jimmy&#8217;s wife. One being the Biblical beginning of what today is now changed.</p>
<p> Learning about anything or any insight into real Biblical things like the real reason God made astrology, astronomy, and Ancient religions than you probably understand all this and maybe it means something to you? If so please let me know.</p>
<p>The final touch is I told my ex husband about the dream, he&#8217;s a skeptic but has seen my dreams come true..he said he just changed his password to Apex!! A word he never uses..Nor do I! I got excited of course saying it was conformation and he said no it&#8217;s not! It&#8217;s a coincidence..I said it&#8217;s a pretty darn big one! If anyone could help me understand I am absolutely fascinated.And I decided to look up the word Apex as related to the Sphinx. What I found was different posts on how the Sphinx represented a women I believe. I need to re read that as my 4yr old was not helping when I needed quiet but the point was that women where equal with men. Then I stumbled on a site tonight right before this one about how the Greek word kephalos is not translated a &#8220;Authority over.&#8221; and that using it that way is a mistranslation..And Apex is also the head,it&#8217;s the top of a religious hat,it&#8217;s the top of the pyramid, and so much more..I am getting the though that with the Sphinx facing each other nose to nose and with them together only does a pyramid form that my dream may have more to do with my feelings of sub-servance to my husband and his call or my feelings of not being able to raise my kids without a father,or who knows maybe it means me and my husband should get back together before the End of days..As you can see I really need some help or insight here. My email is <a href="mailto:halsangels@live.com">halsangels@live.com</a> for any who could help..Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Exegetist</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2007/05/the-meaning-of-the-word-equality/comment-page-1/#comment-47034</link>
		<dc:creator>Exegetist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 18:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Comment #23;

&lt;em&gt;"That said, if someone believes men are permanently superior to and meant to rule over women, he just needs to SAY IT and be honest with himself instead of all of the pseudo-equality two-stepping that goes on now."&lt;/em&gt;

So true.

As well, hierachalists need to prove that Miriam was not a leader in Israel of any kind, that God did not send her or choose her to stand before His people. They must prove that Deborah was not called of God, that she did not judge Israel for 40 years by God’s directions. They must prove that Huldah was not a prophet of God and did not lead the nation back to God by her instructions on the meanings of the discovered scrolls. They must prove that Priscilla did not actually teach Apollo. They must prove that Phoebe was not really a minister of the church of Cenchre, was not given authority, and certainly would not be entrusted with the epistle to the Romans since that responsibility carried a certain authority with it. And then they must actually prove that Junia was not a woman, rather than trying to say "she just couldn’t be."

Oh, I forgot, they have tried to claim all that although they haven't actually proved it.  :)

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<p><em>&#8220;That said, if someone believes men are permanently superior to and meant to rule over women, he just needs to SAY IT and be honest with himself instead of all of the pseudo-equality two-stepping that goes on now.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>So true.</p>
<p>As well, hierachalists need to prove that Miriam was not a leader in Israel of any kind, that God did not send her or choose her to stand before His people. They must prove that Deborah was not called of God, that she did not judge Israel for 40 years by God’s directions. They must prove that Huldah was not a prophet of God and did not lead the nation back to God by her instructions on the meanings of the discovered scrolls. They must prove that Priscilla did not actually teach Apollo. They must prove that Phoebe was not really a minister of the church of Cenchre, was not given authority, and certainly would not be entrusted with the epistle to the Romans since that responsibility carried a certain authority with it. And then they must actually prove that Junia was not a woman, rather than trying to say &#8220;she just couldn’t be.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, I forgot, they have tried to claim all that although they haven&#8217;t actually proved it.  :)</p>
<p><a href="http://exegetist-theberean.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://exegetist-theberean.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 22:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exegetist in #22:

&lt;blockquote&gt;What many in the hierarchical camp of thinking do not realize is that when you put limits on a person’s entire life that are considered permanent, by reason of unchangeable conditions such as gender or race, you are speaking of their essence and speaking in prejudicial terms, a preference for something other. Thus when we say that African Americans should not be ____(enter any denial of freedoms), BECAUSE they are African Americans, then we are prejudically determining them to be inferior by reason of their race.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The late Thurgood Marshall really did sum it up best: "Separate is not equal."

&lt;em&gt;Notice that it is mostly those who would fall into the “first class” citizen group who are arguing that the traditional female roles are not “second class citizenship.”&lt;/em&gt;

Those in power always have to convince the subordinate class that it's good for them, otherwise those without power will rise up and demand it. Religion is usually the most powerful way to keep the subordinated class docile and submissive.  You only have to look at history to see this principle at work.  Slave owners taught their slaves that they, the owners, would take care of them because it was their Christian duty.  Where would the poor slaves be without a white master to provide them with housing, food, and clothing?

In Victorian times, the Church of England taught that people were born into certain classes, and that it was sinful to try and rise above your place in society.  However, it was also the job of the aristocracy to take care of the lesser folk working their land, hence the concept of &lt;em&gt;noblesse oblige&lt;/em&gt;.  The Russian church taught the same dogma to that country's peasants during that time. They were encouraged to see the Tsar as a kindly, fatherly  figure who cared about their needs.  That's  why Marx said, "Religion is the opiate of the masses."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exegetist in #22:</p>
<blockquote><p>What many in the hierarchical camp of thinking do not realize is that when you put limits on a person’s entire life that are considered permanent, by reason of unchangeable conditions such as gender or race, you are speaking of their essence and speaking in prejudicial terms, a preference for something other. Thus when we say that African Americans should not be ____(enter any denial of freedoms), BECAUSE they are African Americans, then we are prejudically determining them to be inferior by reason of their race.</p></blockquote>
<p>The late Thurgood Marshall really did sum it up best: &#8220;Separate is not equal.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Notice that it is mostly those who would fall into the “first class” citizen group who are arguing that the traditional female roles are not “second class citizenship.”</em></p>
<p>Those in power always have to convince the subordinate class that it&#8217;s good for them, otherwise those without power will rise up and demand it. Religion is usually the most powerful way to keep the subordinated class docile and submissive.  You only have to look at history to see this principle at work.  Slave owners taught their slaves that they, the owners, would take care of them because it was their Christian duty.  Where would the poor slaves be without a white master to provide them with housing, food, and clothing?</p>
<p>In Victorian times, the Church of England taught that people were born into certain classes, and that it was sinful to try and rise above your place in society.  However, it was also the job of the aristocracy to take care of the lesser folk working their land, hence the concept of <em>noblesse oblige</em>.  The Russian church taught the same dogma to that country&#8217;s peasants during that time. They were encouraged to see the Tsar as a kindly, fatherly  figure who cared about their needs.  That&#8217;s  why Marx said, &#8220;Religion is the opiate of the masses.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JLP</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 15:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: comment #21:

Please use my post, I would be very happy if you did.

It's time we start asserting ourselves with those who claim their view doesn't make us second class citizens when their very definition of the female role is one of second class citizenship.

In order for one group of people to be first class citizens, they need to make another group second class citizens.  Notice that it is mostly those who would fall into the "first class" citizen group who are arguing that the traditional female roles are not "second class citizenship."</description>
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<p>Please use my post, I would be very happy if you did.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s time we start asserting ourselves with those who claim their view doesn&#8217;t make us second class citizens when their very definition of the female role is one of second class citizenship.</p>
<p>In order for one group of people to be first class citizens, they need to make another group second class citizens.  Notice that it is mostly those who would fall into the &#8220;first class&#8221; citizen group who are arguing that the traditional female roles are not &#8220;second class citizenship.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: LMcC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LMcC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 00:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lori (#21): Actually, I prefer Biblical equality to either hierarchal scenario :D

That said, if someone believes men are permanently superior to and meant to rule over women, he just needs to SAY IT and be honest with himself instead of all of the pseudo-equality two-stepping that goes on now. None of this "you're equal but there are roles" stuff, "equal in being but not in function" stuff, or "right when men do X, wrong when women do it" stuff. It's all double-talk, and a lot of people in and out of the church see right through it. Either men and women are equally capable of having and using God's gifts as God wills, or they're not. 

Contrary to what the hierarchal crowd is saying to maintain their status quo, Biblical equality has nothing to do with "making everyone the same" or "blurring sex lines" or "making women rule over men" or... help me out, what am I missing here? If anything, it's about setting free every man and woman in the church to be the person God meant him or her to be and to use his or her gifts as God sees fit. It's about healing the unnecessary divisions in the church and bringing about true unity in Christ. It really is about a workable definition of equality that recognizes the church as one body while recognizing that we all have something different to contribute, with no nasty hidden motives. 

#22: Right on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lori (#21): Actually, I prefer Biblical equality to either hierarchal scenario :D</p>
<p>That said, if someone believes men are permanently superior to and meant to rule over women, he just needs to SAY IT and be honest with himself instead of all of the pseudo-equality two-stepping that goes on now. None of this &#8220;you&#8217;re equal but there are roles&#8221; stuff, &#8220;equal in being but not in function&#8221; stuff, or &#8220;right when men do X, wrong when women do it&#8221; stuff. It&#8217;s all double-talk, and a lot of people in and out of the church see right through it. Either men and women are equally capable of having and using God&#8217;s gifts as God wills, or they&#8217;re not. </p>
<p>Contrary to what the hierarchal crowd is saying to maintain their status quo, Biblical equality has nothing to do with &#8220;making everyone the same&#8221; or &#8220;blurring sex lines&#8221; or &#8220;making women rule over men&#8221; or&#8230; help me out, what am I missing here? If anything, it&#8217;s about setting free every man and woman in the church to be the person God meant him or her to be and to use his or her gifts as God sees fit. It&#8217;s about healing the unnecessary divisions in the church and bringing about true unity in Christ. It really is about a workable definition of equality that recognizes the church as one body while recognizing that we all have something different to contribute, with no nasty hidden motives. </p>
<p>#22: Right on.</p>
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		<title>By: Exegetist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Exegetist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 20:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What many in the hierarchical camp of thinking do not realize is that when you put limits on a person's entire life that are considered permanent, by reason of unchangeable conditions such as gender or race, you are speaking of their essence and speaking in prejudicial terms, a preference for something other. Thus when we say that African Americans should not be ____(enter any denial of freedoms), BECAUSE they are African Americans, then we are prejudically determining them to be inferior by reason of their race.

Anyone who is functionally limited without exception because of their essence (race, gender, etc. which cannot be outgrown or changed) is not equal at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What many in the hierarchical camp of thinking do not realize is that when you put limits on a person&#8217;s entire life that are considered permanent, by reason of unchangeable conditions such as gender or race, you are speaking of their essence and speaking in prejudicial terms, a preference for something other. Thus when we say that African Americans should not be ____(enter any denial of freedoms), BECAUSE they are African Americans, then we are prejudically determining them to be inferior by reason of their race.</p>
<p>Anyone who is functionally limited without exception because of their essence (race, gender, etc. which cannot be outgrown or changed) is not equal at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 14:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, JLP!  You have exactly summarized the situation.  In fact, I may use your post in future if anyone argues the point with me.  :)  I believe She-Who-Was-Known-As-LJR said  in a post a while back that she actually prefers the "good old days" when she was growing up and the men just said they were better, period.  God made them physically stronger and more prone to logic, so that meant He wanted them to be in charge of everything. None of this twisting around and trying to dodge the issue with talk of "yes you're equal--but..." or "essences" or rewriting the doctrine of the Trinity.  You believe women need to be subordinated and that you should have authority over them.  There's nothing equal about that, so why not just say it?  What are you afraid of?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, JLP!  You have exactly summarized the situation.  In fact, I may use your post in future if anyone argues the point with me.  :)  I believe She-Who-Was-Known-As-LJR said  in a post a while back that she actually prefers the &#8220;good old days&#8221; when she was growing up and the men just said they were better, period.  God made them physically stronger and more prone to logic, so that meant He wanted them to be in charge of everything. None of this twisting around and trying to dodge the issue with talk of &#8220;yes you&#8217;re equal&#8211;but&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;essences&#8221; or rewriting the doctrine of the Trinity.  You believe women need to be subordinated and that you should have authority over them.  There&#8217;s nothing equal about that, so why not just say it?  What are you afraid of?</p>
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		<title>By: JLP</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2007/05/the-meaning-of-the-word-equality/comment-page-1/#comment-46245</link>
		<dc:creator>JLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 13:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please - to any conservative man reading this post, don't tell me I'm equal to you if you believe in a power structure which gives you more power than me.  If you feel God gave you authority over me because you are a man, we are not equal. Even if you tell me that you consider me equal, it will mean nothing to me as long as you hold to a hierarchal structure that puts men in authority over women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please - to any conservative man reading this post, don&#8217;t tell me I&#8217;m equal to you if you believe in a power structure which gives you more power than me.  If you feel God gave you authority over me because you are a man, we are not equal. Even if you tell me that you consider me equal, it will mean nothing to me as long as you hold to a hierarchal structure that puts men in authority over women.</p>
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		<title>By: JLP</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2007/05/the-meaning-of-the-word-equality/comment-page-1/#comment-46244</link>
		<dc:creator>JLP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 13:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it painful when conservative men talk about a dominant role for themselves in the church and the family (and sometimes in society also) and then tell us women we aren't second class citizens.  If men are in authority over women, then women are second class citizens.  Why tell us we aren't when the position they assign is obviously one of second class citizenship?

I don't understand it.  Why don't these same men just come out and be direct - why pretend that something is not what it is?  Why do they expect us to believe them when they tell us we aren't second class citizens?

And telling us we are equal even though they supposedly have authority over us - that is obviously not a position of equality.  That's a parent child relationship.  Not one between equals.  Or should I say that's not a relationship between adults.

I'm tired of these men telling me I'm equal and assigning a position to me that in which the power structure is unequal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it painful when conservative men talk about a dominant role for themselves in the church and the family (and sometimes in society also) and then tell us women we aren&#8217;t second class citizens.  If men are in authority over women, then women are second class citizens.  Why tell us we aren&#8217;t when the position they assign is obviously one of second class citizenship?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand it.  Why don&#8217;t these same men just come out and be direct - why pretend that something is not what it is?  Why do they expect us to believe them when they tell us we aren&#8217;t second class citizens?</p>
<p>And telling us we are equal even though they supposedly have authority over us - that is obviously not a position of equality.  That&#8217;s a parent child relationship.  Not one between equals.  Or should I say that&#8217;s not a relationship between adults.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tired of these men telling me I&#8217;m equal and assigning a position to me that in which the power structure is unequal.</p>
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