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	<title>Comments on: Why the Report Card of the Catholic Church Holds Implications for Evangelicals</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Cicero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Cicero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 03:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mere Comments had a blog entry about this, for anyone who is interested:

http://merecomments.typepad.com/merecomments/2007/05/egalitarian_rep.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mere Comments had a blog entry about this, for anyone who is interested:</p>
<p><a href="http://merecomments.typepad.com/merecomments/2007/05/egalitarian_rep.html" rel="nofollow">http://merecomments.typepad.com/merecomments/2007/05/egalitarian_rep.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2007/05/why-the-report-card-of-the-catholic-church-holds-implications-for-evangelicals/comment-page-1/#comment-50591</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 05:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina in #2:

&lt;blockquote&gt;As for not learning the importance of women in church history, you must not have been paying attention at the prayers venerating St. Mary and other female saints? Or again, were you only focused at what was happening at the altar? Evangelical teaching touches little if at all on the importance of the Theotokos or on remembering the saints. How is an evangelical setting more affirming of womanhood? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, I was wondering the same thing.  Historically, the Church has had a mixed attitude towards women.  They were either the seducer Eve who corrupted Adam or the saintlike Mary who redeemed herself.  However, at least the Catholic Church has acknowledged the positive role of some women in its history.  Any good histororian will tell you about the numerous women saints that the Church recognizes.  (My favorite is St.  Brigid--the Celtic woman who served as a bishop.)  Growing up as a Protestant, I never heard about any woman who had any role in the Reformation. 

As for poor Mary, I only ever heard of her at Christmas, and then only because she submitted to  God (just like other biblical women, such as Sarah and Eve, had submitted to their husbands).  Contrast that with a book I have, which is a collection of addresses given at a conference about Mary.  Most of the speakers were Catholic, and they gave some fascinating perspectives on her.  One of them even explained how Mary  can  be considered the first disciple!  I was so impressed I drew upon those speeches for  a couple of services I preached at Christmas and Ephiphany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina in #2:</p>
<blockquote><p>As for not learning the importance of women in church history, you must not have been paying attention at the prayers venerating St. Mary and other female saints? Or again, were you only focused at what was happening at the altar? Evangelical teaching touches little if at all on the importance of the Theotokos or on remembering the saints. How is an evangelical setting more affirming of womanhood? </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, I was wondering the same thing.  Historically, the Church has had a mixed attitude towards women.  They were either the seducer Eve who corrupted Adam or the saintlike Mary who redeemed herself.  However, at least the Catholic Church has acknowledged the positive role of some women in its history.  Any good histororian will tell you about the numerous women saints that the Church recognizes.  (My favorite is St.  Brigid&#8211;the Celtic woman who served as a bishop.)  Growing up as a Protestant, I never heard about any woman who had any role in the Reformation. </p>
<p>As for poor Mary, I only ever heard of her at Christmas, and then only because she submitted to  God (just like other biblical women, such as Sarah and Eve, had submitted to their husbands).  Contrast that with a book I have, which is a collection of addresses given at a conference about Mary.  Most of the speakers were Catholic, and they gave some fascinating perspectives on her.  One of them even explained how Mary  can  be considered the first disciple!  I was so impressed I drew upon those speeches for  a couple of services I preached at Christmas and Ephiphany.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2007/05/why-the-report-card-of-the-catholic-church-holds-implications-for-evangelicals/comment-page-1/#comment-49622</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 05:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, history is important to this whole issue of equality. We learn of the way women have been misrepresented throughout the ages of the Christian church but we also can learn how in the early church women were wonderfully used to spread the gospel and held positions in the church structures alongside men. A good source for this historical information is Christians for Biblical Equality which has much excellent research on this topic. 
The website is www.cbeinternational.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, history is important to this whole issue of equality. We learn of the way women have been misrepresented throughout the ages of the Christian church but we also can learn how in the early church women were wonderfully used to spread the gospel and held positions in the church structures alongside men. A good source for this historical information is Christians for Biblical Equality which has much excellent research on this topic.<br />
The website is <a href="http://www.cbeinternational.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbeinternational.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gina Mosko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Mosko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 19:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm puzzled as to why this:

&lt;i&gt;to be at the center of Christianity&lt;/i&gt;

equates to this:

&lt;i&gt;the number of young women volunteering as altar servers, women in faculty positions at Catholic seminaries, and women in top positions on diocese advisory boards&lt;/i&gt;

Since when is "influence" in the church a factor of positions of visibility and status?

And why did the study not take the role of nuns and lay leadership (committee heads etc.) into consideration?  To me it looks pretty skewed towards the results it wants to announce.

As for not learning the importance of women in church history, you must not have been paying attention at the prayers venerating St. Mary and other female saints?  Or again, were you only focused at what was happening at the altar?  Evangelical teaching touches little if at all on the importance of the Theotokos or on remembering the saints.  How is an evangelical setting more affirming of womanhood?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m puzzled as to why this:</p>
<p><i>to be at the center of Christianity</i></p>
<p>equates to this:</p>
<p><i>the number of young women volunteering as altar servers, women in faculty positions at Catholic seminaries, and women in top positions on diocese advisory boards</i></p>
<p>Since when is &#8220;influence&#8221; in the church a factor of positions of visibility and status?</p>
<p>And why did the study not take the role of nuns and lay leadership (committee heads etc.) into consideration?  To me it looks pretty skewed towards the results it wants to announce.</p>
<p>As for not learning the importance of women in church history, you must not have been paying attention at the prayers venerating St. Mary and other female saints?  Or again, were you only focused at what was happening at the altar?  Evangelical teaching touches little if at all on the importance of the Theotokos or on remembering the saints.  How is an evangelical setting more affirming of womanhood?</p>
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		<title>By: Wolf Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolf Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 15:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, being at the center of Christianity is not the same as being in leadership positions within the hierarchy or the theological colleges.

And the Women's Justice Coalition, judging by some of the organizations which make up its membership, is not exactly a group which commands much respect from anyone calling him/herself an Evangelical. It's goal certainly is not "biblical" equality -- whatever that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, being at the center of Christianity is not the same as being in leadership positions within the hierarchy or the theological colleges.</p>
<p>And the Women&#8217;s Justice Coalition, judging by some of the organizations which make up its membership, is not exactly a group which commands much respect from anyone calling him/herself an Evangelical. It&#8217;s goal certainly is not &#8220;biblical&#8221; equality &#8212; whatever that is.</p>
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