The CBE Scroll

Blog voices from Christians for Biblical Equality

It’s Greek to me!

Filed under: Gender Equality — Pam at 5:59 am on Wednesday, November 26, 2008

The blog was long, but intriguing.  The author had written on the place of women in the church.  He spent an inordinate amount of time unpacking a lot of preliminary thoughts, but as a woman with a stake in this battle, I hung in patiently.  He got to the part about “hesuchia,” the word used in 1Timothy 2:11-12, where it says, “a woman should learn in quietness (hesuchia) and full submission (hupotage, or obedience)”…“she must be silent (again hesuchia).”

 This Greek word was not meant to imply utter silence, the author insisted.  The meaning of the word more accurately is “peaceable, tranquil, with restraint, quietly.”  One can look at other places where the word is used, for instance, when Paul wants to speak to the unruly crowd on the barracks’ steps in Jerusalem and they settle down (hesuchia) when he uses Aramaic (Acts 22:2), or in 2 Thessalonians 3:12, when Paul commands the idle to “settle down [hesuchia] and earn the bread they eat.”

 As I read the blog and absorbed the author’s interpretation of this word that has shut the mouths of so many women, I felt hope rise.  “Come on, now…preach it!” I was thinking, quite possibly in danger of losing my hesuchia.  I was hoping his final conclusion would be that proscriptions against women speaking in church were founded on shaky definitions. 

 But no, he worked his way back to a “nevertheless.”  Even though, absolute silence was not being called for, he said, still women were to be under the leadership of men and not to come over “the tops of the heads of men.”  He pointed to 1Timothy 2:12 which reads, “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent” to conclude that women are not equal and must not teach or have authority over men ever despite everything he had said up to that point.

 Now the Greek for “have authority over” is interesting too.  Authenteo doesn’t appear to be a simple “have authority over.”  Instead, it seems to be pointing to dictatorial authority.   It seems to mean being autocratic, an absolute master, to exercise dominion over someone or others.  I wonder if Paul’s concern was not about simple and respectful leadership from women, but rather about dominating, bullying, usurping, taking over, etc.  As has often been asked, what generated Paul’s concern, proper gender roles in the church, or fear that the Christian women were degenerating into pagan behavior?

 Might 1Timothy 2:11-12 be interpreted this way:  “A woman should learn in a respectful, peaceful way, as reflects obedience to God.  She must not teach or exercise authority in ways that belittle/compete with men.  She must show restraint.”

 Paul goes on to speak of Adam being formed first and of woman being deceived and becoming a sinner.  Was that stated to say that man is superior to an “easily fooled woman,” or was it included to remind women who were being tempted to “try and run the show,” that they, too, sin and ought to be humble? 

 And finally, v. 15, “women will be saved through childbearing – if they continue in faith, love, and holiness with propriety.”  Does this mean, as some have interpreted it, that motherhood should be at the center of a woman’s focus and will be the means of saving her (she’ll be saved as she recognizes her place), or rather that, if she continues with a quiet, peaceable spirit (faith, love, holiness with propriety), she will pass safely through the experience that often costs women their lives (still can today) – giving birth?

 Oh, the questions we’ll have for Paul some day.

The Holy Spirit

Filed under: Gender Equality — Liz at 4:55 pm on Tuesday, November 18, 2008

There has been so much excellent material written re the (false) teaching of subordination within the Godhead and particularly as it relates to husbands and wives.

What intrigues me is that those who promote this way of thinking only make comparison of Father to Son and husband to wife when it comes to eternal subordination. What position does the Holy Spirit have in this system? There is obviously no direct comparison to the Holy Spirit within marriage and such teaching allows the thought that the Holy Spirit is just a ‘force’ and an impersonal one at that.

Another flaw in this teaching of subordination is that the only comparisons are from Ephesians 5 and the Genesis account of God’s statements after Adam & Eve sinned for the first time. Both accounts are of married people, husband and wife. Where does the teaching of subordination allow for single people, both women and men?

These are just a couple of inconsistencies which seems obvious to some but get lost by others when trying to make a doctrine from isolated passages of the bible.

RSS feeds

Filed under: CBE — Rob at 9:11 pm on Saturday, November 15, 2008

Hello everyone, Rob here.  I just wanted to let you all know that we’ve updated the CBE Scroll to make the RSS feeds a little more visible.  If you don’t know what RSS is, it stands for Really Simple Syndication.  It’s a way to get notification and excerpts from frequently updated online content like blogs.  Says Wikipedia:

(RSS) feeds benefit publishers by letting them syndicate content automatically. They benefit readers who want to subscribe to timely updates from favored websites or to aggregate feeds from many sites into one place.

If you don’t already have an RSS reader program, I have used both Google Reader and RSSOwl and both are free and easy to use.

So back to the Scroll.  Now you’ll notice in the upper part of the right-hand column two new RSS icons.  The yellow icon links to the entire site feed.  This will give you all the recent posts.  The second red icon will give you just the recent comments which is a good way to keep up with conversations on each post.

As always, let me know if you have any questions in the comments below. And now back to your regularly scheduled programming…

Refusing to be Ministered to

Filed under: Gender Equality — Hubert Edgar at 5:07 pm on Tuesday, November 11, 2008

After this the Lord appointed seventy-two others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go. He told them, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into his harvest field. Go! I am sending you out like lambs among wolves. Do not take a purse or bag or sandals; and do not greet anyone on the road”

“When you enter a house, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ If the head of the house loves peace, your peace will rest on that house; if not, it will return to you. Stay there, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for workers deserve their wages. Do not move around from house to house.

“When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is set before you. Heal the sick who are there and tell them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ But when you enter a town and are not welcomed, go into its streets and say, ‘Even the dust of your town we wipe from our feet as a warning to you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God has come near.’ I tell you, it will be more bearable on that day for Sodom than for that town. (Luke 10:10-12 TNIV)

When a laborer of God is turned away, God is not happy. When a laborer of God is turned away, the consequences are severe. This is not some special dispensation to the 72 who were sent out at this one time. It’s a simple cause-and-effect thing. When God sends a laborer into the field, He has a purpose for that person’s ministry and, if the person is not allowed to minister, that purpose fails. If the purpose fails, the people who would have been blessed are not blessed. Souls may be lost. Churches may be weakened. A domino effect happens.

What would the Church be like today if the women, racial/ethnic minorities, even slaves like Onesimus, would have been allowed, even encouraged, to preach and shepherd the people God had sent them to serve?