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It’s Greek to me!

Filed under: Gender Equality
Written by: on Wednesday, November 26, 2008

The blog was long, but intriguing.  The author had written on the place of women in the church.  He spent an inordinate amount of time unpacking a lot of preliminary thoughts, but as a woman with a stake in this battle, I hung in patiently.  He got to the part about “hesuchia,” the word used in 1Timothy 2:11-12, where it says, “a woman should learn in quietness (hesuchia) and full submission (hupotage, or obedience)”…“she must be silent (again hesuchia).”

 This Greek word was not meant to imply utter silence, the author insisted.  The meaning of the word more accurately is “peaceable, tranquil, with restraint, quietly.”  One can look at other places where the word is used, for instance, when Paul wants to speak to the unruly crowd on the barracks’ steps in Jerusalem and they settle down (hesuchia) when he uses Aramaic (Acts 22:2), or in 2 Thessalonians 3:12, when Paul commands the idle to “settle down [hesuchia] and earn the bread they eat.”

 As I read the blog and absorbed the author’s interpretation of this word that has shut the mouths of so many women, I felt hope rise.  “Come on, now…preach it!” I was thinking, quite possibly in danger of losing my hesuchia.  I was hoping his final conclusion would be that proscriptions against women speaking in church were founded on shaky definitions. 

 But no, he worked his way back to a “nevertheless.”  Even though, absolute silence was not being called for, he said, still women were to be under the leadership of men and not to come over “the tops of the heads of men.”  He pointed to 1Timothy 2:12 which reads, “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent” to conclude that women are not equal and must not teach or have authority over men ever despite everything he had said up to that point.

 Now the Greek for “have authority over” is interesting too.  Authenteo doesn’t appear to be a simple “have authority over.”  Instead, it seems to be pointing to dictatorial authority.   It seems to mean being autocratic, an absolute master, to exercise dominion over someone or others.  I wonder if Paul’s concern was not about simple and respectful leadership from women, but rather about dominating, bullying, usurping, taking over, etc.  As has often been asked, what generated Paul’s concern, proper gender roles in the church, or fear that the Christian women were degenerating into pagan behavior?

 Might 1Timothy 2:11-12 be interpreted this way:  “A woman should learn in a respectful, peaceful way, as reflects obedience to God.  She must not teach or exercise authority in ways that belittle/compete with men.  She must show restraint.”

 Paul goes on to speak of Adam being formed first and of woman being deceived and becoming a sinner.  Was that stated to say that man is superior to an “easily fooled woman,” or was it included to remind women who were being tempted to “try and run the show,” that they, too, sin and ought to be humble? 

 And finally, v. 15, “women will be saved through childbearing – if they continue in faith, love, and holiness with propriety.”  Does this mean, as some have interpreted it, that motherhood should be at the center of a woman’s focus and will be the means of saving her (she’ll be saved as she recognizes her place), or rather that, if she continues with a quiet, peaceable spirit (faith, love, holiness with propriety), she will pass safely through the experience that often costs women their lives (still can today) – giving birth?

 Oh, the questions we’ll have for Paul some day.

8 Comments »

Comment by jlp

November 26, 2008 @ 3:11 pm

http://www.geocities.com/about_biblical_equality/1stTimothy212.htm

Scroll through this page for different egal authors take on 1 Timothy 2:12.

Comment by jlp

November 26, 2008 @ 3:15 pm

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/1ti2.pdf

Look at the Greek translation underlying 1st Timothy 2:12 and then compare it to the English on the side. You will notice distinct differences.

Comment by jlp

November 26, 2008 @ 3:17 pm

If you go to the website above and check the English words underneath the Greek words, and then compare it to the English translation on the right – you will notice that both 1st Timothy 2:11 and 2:12 have been interpreted more harshly than what is actually in the Greek.

Comment by Don

November 26, 2008 @ 5:53 pm

Of the “gender” verses, this one is the most puzzling. If someone were to claim this verse is clear, I would ask them if they were Timothy! There are lots of things we do not know about this set of verses, we do not even know if authenteo has a negative or positive connotation, let alone what it means. Is Paul writing about a specific woman? If teaching is not part of a hendiadys (two words meaning one thing, not 2) then it has no direct object and so is unrestricted in scope.

Comment by faith

November 28, 2008 @ 1:15 pm

Ken Bailey writes about women in mid-eastern societies. Without having had much education, they would chatter a great deal during the teaching times. When Paul ask them to be silent or to remain quiet, it was so that they could learn. In context, they should learn so that they will not be under the influence of false teachers.

Gilbert Bilezekian also tells in his book, Community 101 that Paul in 1 Timothy was writing to a church in crisis and threatened by false teaching. His desire was to shut down the false teaching and encourage the ones not taught (in this case the women) to learn in quietness. I think when Paul refers back to Eve in the garden, it is to refer to Eve being influenced by the serpent (a false teacher). The inference then is that the women should not be permitted to teach or have authority when under the influence of false teachers. Instead they should learn in quietness and become mature.

The being saved through childbirth can refer to so many things… I don’t think it is a reference to eternal salvation but perhaps salvation from the false teachers by tending to their work and staying out of reach of the false teachers.

Comment by Lin

November 28, 2008 @ 7:56 pm

We cannot understand this well enough to declare that it silences over half of all Christians from proclaiming the Word to anyone regardless of gender.

We can be assured that the reference to childbearing has nothing to do with a woman’s salvation or sanctification. (nor her ‘role’)

The word authenteo proves this is a hard one to interpret. If only more people would say/admit this instead of proclaiming that it is clear.

Another reason I think interpretations are so wrong on this is that many say it proves women should not have authority over men in the Body. The truth is that NO HUMAN has ‘authority’ over another in the Body. The only authority is Christ and His Word. Believers are gifted as elders, preachers, etc but don’t really have ‘authority’ over the others in the Holy Priesthood except that they rightly divide the Word! It is the Word that has the authority…not the person.

When looked at this way, the whole mantra about women not being able to teach men in the Body just reeks of arrogance. This attitude of not being able to learn from women hurts the Body and keeps half of all believers in bondage and the other half elevated in a narcissistic belief that ends up being a snare for them.

I have asked many times but never get an answer: At what age is a male to stop being taught the Word by a mom or any woman for that matter? When should their teaching stop? At age 12? 18? 21?

(It is ironic that this letter is written to Timothy and the Word tells us he was taught the faith by his mother and grandmother…not his father.)

Comment by Cheryl

November 28, 2008 @ 9:30 pm

1 Timothy 2:11-15 must be taken in its complete context which is certainly at least chapters 1 & 2 of 1 Timothy. I have written a point form of the context here http://strivetoenter.com/wim/2006/12/02/what-does-1-timothy-211-15-mean/ We simply cannot ignore the fact that Paul did not leave Timothy behind to stop the deceived teachers AND the women. The ones who were stopped from being teachers were false teachers who thought they knew what they were saying but who were completely wrong and influencing others with their error.

Comment by Frank

November 29, 2008 @ 3:16 pm

It never fails to amaze me that so many people who take the two so-called “problem” Pauline texts (1 Cor. 14:34-35 and 1 Tim. 2:8-15) to be “clear” prohibitions against women in leadership and ministry so often violate the canons of sound biblical interpretation, which require that a text be properly understood in its literary, historical and cultural context before applying it to situations in the modern church. Moreover, they violate the principle that obscure or ambiguous texts are to be interpreted in light of more clear texts on the same doctrine or issue; not only in the NT as a whole, but from the Pauline writings themselves it is evident that 1 Cor. 14:34-35 and 2 Tim. 2:8-15 are addressing “special cases” and are not examples of Paul’s primary view or practice on these issues. Yet these two ambiguous texts are made out to be a “normative” rule that cancels everything else the NT has to say on this subject. Any text, when divorced from its proper literary, historical or cultural context, is being used as a pretext for someone’s agenda. So we must beware these interpretive con-artists, who twist the Sciptures and make them say things Peter, Paul and John never even dreamed of saying.

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