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		<title>By: joanne</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/02/ess-a-new-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-88810</link>
		<dc:creator>joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue, Frank, Balswick and Balswick has an interesting chart on male/female differences.

They draw two parallel lines showing actual differences and two parallel lines showing socialized differences.  

The actual differences are less than the socialized differences.  So... my point is that socialization of differences needs to be accounted for.  

Also differences do not mean incapacity.  I may be different but not incapable.  I will only utilize my difference and approach a task or role differently.  It does not mean incapable.

Finally, there are 16 different personality types according to myers and briggs.  Why on earth would we divide persons only into male and female personality types.

These are errors in complimentarian thinking and reveal their agenda once again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue, Frank, Balswick and Balswick has an interesting chart on male/female differences.</p>
<p>They draw two parallel lines showing actual differences and two parallel lines showing socialized differences.  </p>
<p>The actual differences are less than the socialized differences.  So&#8230; my point is that socialization of differences needs to be accounted for.  </p>
<p>Also differences do not mean incapacity.  I may be different but not incapable.  I will only utilize my difference and approach a task or role differently.  It does not mean incapable.</p>
<p>Finally, there are 16 different personality types according to myers and briggs.  Why on earth would we divide persons only into male and female personality types.</p>
<p>These are errors in complimentarian thinking and reveal their agenda once again.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue (not the previous Sue)</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/02/ess-a-new-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-88807</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue (not the previous Sue)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 02:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, 

I have a blogful of studies on kephale and authentein etc. I have images of the Greek texts that used to be used as evidence that authentein meant &quot;to have authority.&quot; Since that claim is clearly bogus now, I think most exegetes argue that we know the meaning of authentein only from context and nothing else. 

Actually, I am losing interest in this fight since  complementarians have so obviously constructed bogus arguments over and over again that I can&#039;t take them seriously any more. But if you want any particular evidence find my email on my blog in my profile and email me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, </p>
<p>I have a blogful of studies on kephale and authentein etc. I have images of the Greek texts that used to be used as evidence that authentein meant &#8220;to have authority.&#8221; Since that claim is clearly bogus now, I think most exegetes argue that we know the meaning of authentein only from context and nothing else. </p>
<p>Actually, I am losing interest in this fight since  complementarians have so obviously constructed bogus arguments over and over again that I can&#8217;t take them seriously any more. But if you want any particular evidence find my email on my blog in my profile and email me.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue (not the previous Sue)</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/02/ess-a-new-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-88806</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue (not the previous Sue)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 02:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Frank,

Thanks. I missed reading this for a few days. 

 &lt;i&gt;It seems they were assuming a radical difference in sexuality and psychology between the sexes that somehow gave males an edge over women. It appears that they weren’t considering the “nature vs. nurture” aspect of male and female development. Is that a problem you often have with complementarians in dealing with “differentiation”?&lt;/i&gt;

I kept asking them how they saw women as different apart from the physiological, and I don&#039;t think they ever answered that. 

Perhaps they think that if women are different from men, they don&#039;t feel the same need for respect as men do, or they don&#039;t mind not being treated as equals. It comforts them to think that women were created for subordination and don&#039;t have the same ambitions and feelings that men have. I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Frank,</p>
<p>Thanks. I missed reading this for a few days. </p>
<p> <i>It seems they were assuming a radical difference in sexuality and psychology between the sexes that somehow gave males an edge over women. It appears that they weren’t considering the “nature vs. nurture” aspect of male and female development. Is that a problem you often have with complementarians in dealing with “differentiation”?</i></p>
<p>I kept asking them how they saw women as different apart from the physiological, and I don&#8217;t think they ever answered that. </p>
<p>Perhaps they think that if women are different from men, they don&#8217;t feel the same need for respect as men do, or they don&#8217;t mind not being treated as equals. It comforts them to think that women were created for subordination and don&#8217;t have the same ambitions and feelings that men have. I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: jlp</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/02/ess-a-new-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-88777</link>
		<dc:creator>jlp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 06:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

Your link is dead.  I clicked on several of your posts and all of them took me to a dead link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p>Your link is dead.  I clicked on several of your posts and all of them took me to a dead link.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Aubrey</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/02/ess-a-new-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-88769</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be clarified that I do not think that Paul was a modern egalitarian in any sense. He&#039;s from a patriarchal culture and he reflects much of that while also sowing the seeds for the equality as God intended (an equality that is founded in Genesis).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be clarified that I do not think that Paul was a modern egalitarian in any sense. He&#8217;s from a patriarchal culture and he reflects much of that while also sowing the seeds for the equality as God intended (an equality that is founded in Genesis).</p>
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		<title>By: jlp</title>
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		<dc:creator>jlp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found a link to a website with important information that touches on this issue.  It&#039;s:

http://evepheso.wordpress.com/

At this blog Mike Aubrey deals with the assumption that when submission is used in the New Testament it always refers to submission to authority.  Mike Aubrey gives evidence to dispute this. Go there and read his post.  You will enjoy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found a link to a website with important information that touches on this issue.  It&#8217;s:</p>
<p><a href="http://evepheso.wordpress.com/" onclick="return TrackClick('http%3A%2F%2Fevepheso.wordpress.com%2F','http%3A%2F%2Fevepheso.wordpress.com%2F')" rel="nofollow">http://evepheso.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p>At this blog Mike Aubrey deals with the assumption that when submission is used in the New Testament it always refers to submission to authority.  Mike Aubrey gives evidence to dispute this. Go there and read his post.  You will enjoy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue, I read your guest blog on the Evangelical Village, &quot;Why I Am An Egalitarian,&quot; and I would say you did an excellent job in presentation and argumentation.  Certainly a good resource.  Thanks for recommending it.  I noticed there were 2 commentators who insisted you explain how men and women were different. It seems they were assuming a radical difference in sexuality and psychology between the sexes that somehow gave males an edge over women.  It appears that they weren&#039;t considering the &quot;nature vs. nurture&quot; aspect of male and female development.  Is that a problem you often have with complementarians in dealing with &quot;differentiation&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue, I read your guest blog on the Evangelical Village, &#8220;Why I Am An Egalitarian,&#8221; and I would say you did an excellent job in presentation and argumentation.  Certainly a good resource.  Thanks for recommending it.  I noticed there were 2 commentators who insisted you explain how men and women were different. It seems they were assuming a radical difference in sexuality and psychology between the sexes that somehow gave males an edge over women.  It appears that they weren&#8217;t considering the &#8220;nature vs. nurture&#8221; aspect of male and female development.  Is that a problem you often have with complementarians in dealing with &#8220;differentiation&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/02/ess-a-new-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-88738</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 13:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Leigh and anyone else who would like some practical ideas about mutual submission in marriage I would like to recommend the book &quot;Heirs Together&quot; by Patricia Gundry. It has heaps of great examples as well as biblical backing for the mutuality principle. It is published by Suitcase books and is available from the CBE bookshop Equality Depot. It&#039;s the only marriage book we recommend to people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Leigh and anyone else who would like some practical ideas about mutual submission in marriage I would like to recommend the book &#8220;Heirs Together&#8221; by Patricia Gundry. It has heaps of great examples as well as biblical backing for the mutuality principle. It is published by Suitcase books and is available from the CBE bookshop Equality Depot. It&#8217;s the only marriage book we recommend to people.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/02/ess-a-new-doctrine/comment-page-1/#comment-88719</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way of describing mutuality in marriage is with the diagram of a triangle with Christ at the apex and the woman and man in the two bottom angles. They relate to each other and each go through Christ as their &#039;head&#039;....simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way of describing mutuality in marriage is with the diagram of a triangle with Christ at the apex and the woman and man in the two bottom angles. They relate to each other and each go through Christ as their &#8216;head&#8217;&#8230;.simple.</p>
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