Comments on: Personal Story http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/05/personal-story-2/ Blog voices from Christians for Biblical Equality Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:51:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Liz http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/05/personal-story-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89394 Liz Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:31:13 +0000 http://blog.cbeinternational.org/?p=552#comment-89394 A timely reminder......please do not indulge in assessing the motives of those who write comments. Everyone is free to write what they believe and should be respected for their views. We all have the freedom to explore and think through these important issues and should be able to do so without being judged or criticised. As administrators, we will write personally to any contributors who we consider are writing comments which are divisive or unkind. We will also continue to delete comments which are not written in a conciliatory manner. Liz & Trevor A timely reminder……please do not indulge in assessing the motives of those who write comments. Everyone is free to write what they believe and should be respected for their views. We all have the freedom to explore and think through these important issues and should be able to do so without being judged or criticised.

As administrators, we will write personally to any contributors who we consider are writing comments which are divisive or unkind. We will also continue to delete comments which are not written in a conciliatory manner.

Liz & Trevor

]]> By: Liz http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/05/personal-story-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89393 Liz Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:21:35 +0000 http://blog.cbeinternational.org/?p=552#comment-89393 What a dreadful thing to say about God....that he gives men daughters so they (dads) can have the attention of younger women. As Lin said.....that sort of thinking is so selfish and unbalanced. There would not be a shred of scripture to back up such an outrageous claim. What a dreadful thing to say about God….that he gives men daughters so they (dads) can have the attention of younger women. As Lin said…..that sort of thinking is so selfish and unbalanced. There would not be a shred of scripture to back up such an outrageous claim.

]]> By: Lin http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/05/personal-story-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89391 Lin Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:31:50 +0000 http://blog.cbeinternational.org/?p=552#comment-89391 “A lot of men are leaving their wives for younger women because they yearn for attention from younger women. And God gave them a daughter who can give them that. And instead they go find a substitute daughter….you’ve seen it, we’ve all seen it. These old guys going and finding these substitute daughters.” That is a quote from Voddie Baucham, who teaches Patriarchy. Do folks not see how man centered Patriarchy really is? It promotes a depraved sinner as the center of the universe for women. All things are to evolve around a human being..the dad. God help you if he is Papa Pilgrim. And Voddie is teaching that older men need attention from younger women. Note the focus on the man's selfish needs for his ego. It is a perversion to teach such things. Patriarchy is so very man centered. It is not Christ centered.. It scares me for young woman who are stuck in this false teaching. This is one step away from seeing women as objects for pleasure and use. It is worldly. And it is why this poor woman's church thinks SHE is disgraced by her victimization at the hands of evil. Patriarchy is not that different from Islam. “A lot of men are leaving their wives for younger women because they yearn for attention from younger women. And God gave them a daughter who can give them that. And instead they go find a substitute daughter….you’ve seen it, we’ve all seen it. These old guys going and finding these substitute daughters.”

That is a quote from Voddie Baucham, who teaches Patriarchy. Do folks not see how man centered Patriarchy really is? It promotes a depraved sinner as the center of the universe for women. All things are to evolve around a human being..the dad. God help you if he is Papa Pilgrim.

And Voddie is teaching that older men need attention from younger women. Note the focus on the man’s selfish needs for his ego. It is a perversion to teach such things.

Patriarchy is so very man centered. It is not Christ centered.. It scares me for young woman who are stuck in this false teaching.

This is one step away from seeing women as objects for pleasure and use. It is worldly. And it is why this poor woman’s church thinks SHE is disgraced by her victimization at the hands of evil.

Patriarchy is not that different from Islam.

]]> By: jlp http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/05/personal-story-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89388 jlp Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:02:01 +0000 http://blog.cbeinternational.org/?p=552#comment-89388 TL, It may be that some churches do know about sexual slavery, but just chose not to talk about it. TL,

It may be that some churches do know about sexual slavery, but just chose not to talk about it.

]]> By: Kamilla http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/05/personal-story-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89385 Kamilla Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:15:35 +0000 http://blog.cbeinternational.org/?p=552#comment-89385 Well, all I can say from my own experience is that the churches I have been a part of are so heavily connected to missionary efforts that they can't help *but* be aware of it. And, perhaps it's something I'm just more acutely aware of because of my own work in this area. Kamilla Well, all I can say from my own experience is that the churches I have been a part of are so heavily connected to missionary efforts that they can’t help *but* be aware of it. And, perhaps it’s something I’m just more acutely aware of because of my own work in this area.

Kamilla

]]> By: tiro http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/05/personal-story-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89384 tiro Wed, 03 Jun 2009 04:02:59 +0000 http://blog.cbeinternational.org/?p=552#comment-89384 In reality most churches are not aware slave trafficking is still happening. I've also been in several Baptist churches over 30 years and really never once heard such a thing mentioned. How can we say they ignore something they don't know is happening. In reality most churches are not aware slave trafficking is still happening. I’ve also been in several Baptist churches over 30 years and really never once heard such a thing mentioned. How can we say they ignore something they don’t know is happening.

]]> By: Kamilla http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/05/personal-story-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89383 Kamilla Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:46:13 +0000 http://blog.cbeinternational.org/?p=552#comment-89383 Sorry about the Demelza thing - public computer in the hospital library. Last night one of the residents left herself signed into her credit card account! Kamilla Sorry about the Demelza thing – public computer in the hospital library. Last night one of the residents left herself signed into her credit card account!

Kamilla

]]> By: Demelza http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/05/personal-story-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89382 Demelza Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:43:03 +0000 http://blog.cbeinternational.org/?p=552#comment-89382 JLP, That is a terrible accusation to make. Can *you* provide any examples of churches or individual Christians who, "spend their time converting women to the gospel of female submission, but ignore things like this."? I come from a patriarchalist church background (my family and I have been members of 4 different Baptist denominations) and I have *never* been in a church which ignores the issue of slave trafficking. Kamilla JLP,

That is a terrible accusation to make. Can *you* provide any examples of churches or individual Christians who, “spend their time converting women to the gospel of female submission, but ignore things like this.”?

I come from a patriarchalist church background (my family and I have been members of 4 different Baptist denominations) and I have *never* been in a church which ignores the issue of slave trafficking.

Kamilla

]]> By: jlp http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2009/05/personal-story-2/comment-page-1/#comment-89381 jlp Wed, 03 Jun 2009 02:20:43 +0000 http://blog.cbeinternational.org/?p=552#comment-89381 There are some good things in this clip, but there are a lot of really weird things also. The crazy things he says undoes the validity of the good things he says. There are some good things in this clip, but there are a lot of really weird things also. The crazy things he says undoes the validity of the good things he says.

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