Comments on: No Condemnation

By: KR Wordgazer

KR Wordgazer — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:11:15 +0000

“They are only allowed to talk to other women or children. In this way, they are not being discriminated against…”

Claire R., try filling in any other group for “women” here, and it will become plain to you that it is discrimination, plain and simple.

“Black people are only allowed to talk to other black people or to children.”

“Poor people are only allowed to talk to other poor people or to children.”

“Hispanics are only allowed to talk to other Hispanics or to children.”

See what I mean?

By: Don

Don — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:02:25 +0000

Yes, the ones in Corinth that Paul is quoting are legalists that go beyond Scripture and find justification in the so-called Oral Torah of the Pharisees, now found in the written Mishnah and this is the “law” that is referred to.

By: Laurie

Laurie — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:53:11 +0000

The fact that 1 Cor. 14:34-35 were found in different places, including the margin of the leaves of papyrus the epistles were written on, should give pause to anyone that they had to have been added. Why were they added is the only real question and dispute IMO. Therefore, they truly should not be used in the formation of any doctrine. Aside from that mention, there are only references of women’s participation in preaching, teaching, leading and ministering.

Don, the 2 etas could also be repudiating those in the original epistle to Paul from the legalistic Jews who were attempting to make a case for special rules favoring the Jewish males.

By: Don

Don — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:25:09 +0000

I go with the 2 etas in 1 Cor 14:36 as expletives of repudiation repudiating a quote from some at Corinth in 1 Cor 14:34-35. But the scribal gloss is also possible.

By: Wayne

Wayne — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:31:28 +0000

Personally, I think Gordon Fee and especially Phillip Payne have more than adequately demonstrated that 1 Cor. 14:34-35 are scribal margin glosses, not legitimate inspired canon.

By: Liz

Liz — Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:29:49 +0000

Thank you Claire for writing your point of view. It seems as though you are happy in your church community and we say God bless you as you grow in faith and life.

By: Claire R.

Claire R. — Sat, 27 Mar 2010 03:42:08 +0000

I believe that there is a proper context and place for women to speak within the church. They have the right to teach to a certain extent. As long as it is not men that they are preaching to, it is okay. I come from a background where women are not allowed to preach on Sunday or during Bible Study. They are only allowed to talk to other women or children. In this way, they are not being discriminated against because they are able to speak to others in the proper context. The Bible says that men are to be the leaders of the church. I am not saying that women are inferior. God loves us all in the same manner, there are just different roles that we are to perform.

By: Liz

Liz — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:40:38 +0000

Many people think that if you have to explain a verses or look at culture etc. you are not believing the bible. It is thought that one should be able to read it as is and take it all at face value.
Interesting thing is of course, that there are many verses which everyone knows couldn’t possibly be meant to be taken literally or for this century and yet the passages concerning women are seen as timeless.
Once again, it is a translation issue and a cross reference issue as all links go back to Genesis and the interpretation of the consequences of the original sin.
Cross references are also seen as God’s word and not to be questioned.

By: Lisa

Lisa — Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:04:44 +0000

I sympathize with you, Hailey.

I admit that I was complementarian until I started looking into the original Greek and Hebrew. When I share my egalitarian views with others, I feel like I have to “explain” so much, as I have researched this issue for months. I have even heard some people say in response to my views, “Well, my Bible says…” as if their King James Version is God himself speaking. How can we get people to be intellectually honest enough to actually look into the original language? This is probably one of the greatest obstacles for the egalitarian.