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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2010/02/thank-you-but-what-else/comment-page-2/#comment-91106</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 15:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Judy--three cheers for your hubby!  I LOVE that his favorite founding father is Abigail Adams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judy&#8211;three cheers for your hubby!  I LOVE that his favorite founding father is Abigail Adams.</p>
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		<title>By: judy</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2010/02/thank-you-but-what-else/comment-page-2/#comment-91103</link>
		<dc:creator>judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 04:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always been uncomfortable when male pastors complement their wife&#039;s looks in an exaggerated way. To me, it invites the other men to look, reminding me of King Xerxes and Queen Vashti... Is it a complement, or is it showing off? And what happens when this wife has a few children/ ages and knows she is no longer the beauty she once was? Does she become depressed? My husband knew I was &quot;the one&quot; when, after a test in college, he was elaborating on a concept he knew little about and I called him on it. Even though age has not been gentle with me, I know that he married me for more than my looks. He still calls me from work when he can to talk, and says that his favorite founding father is Abigail Adams (a wife whose husband obviously knew her worth). I cannot remember him ever giving me a direct complement on my looks, but that was never where I placed my self-worth. Maybe part of the problem is that we, as women, buy into many of the myths about being pretty- so much so that we feed the obsession over women&#039;s beauty. Many of the men I have talked to in karate (not church) have said that they wish it did not take their wives so long to get ready- they think that they are beautiful without all of the prep. And, that because often they spend the time to get ready only when they &#039;go out&#039; and leave the make-up/hair alone at home, they feel like their wives are primping for the people at work/church and not necessarily for them. Some believe they are doing it for the other women, so they will look good and be accepted. How sad if this is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always been uncomfortable when male pastors complement their wife&#8217;s looks in an exaggerated way. To me, it invites the other men to look, reminding me of King Xerxes and Queen Vashti&#8230; Is it a complement, or is it showing off? And what happens when this wife has a few children/ ages and knows she is no longer the beauty she once was? Does she become depressed? My husband knew I was &#8220;the one&#8221; when, after a test in college, he was elaborating on a concept he knew little about and I called him on it. Even though age has not been gentle with me, I know that he married me for more than my looks. He still calls me from work when he can to talk, and says that his favorite founding father is Abigail Adams (a wife whose husband obviously knew her worth). I cannot remember him ever giving me a direct complement on my looks, but that was never where I placed my self-worth. Maybe part of the problem is that we, as women, buy into many of the myths about being pretty- so much so that we feed the obsession over women&#8217;s beauty. Many of the men I have talked to in karate (not church) have said that they wish it did not take their wives so long to get ready- they think that they are beautiful without all of the prep. And, that because often they spend the time to get ready only when they &#8216;go out&#8217; and leave the make-up/hair alone at home, they feel like their wives are primping for the people at work/church and not necessarily for them. Some believe they are doing it for the other women, so they will look good and be accepted. How sad if this is true.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2010/02/thank-you-but-what-else/comment-page-2/#comment-90858</link>
		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,

Thanks for sharing.  I so relate to both your struggle in not having any local egalitarian friends and the new love for being a woman and the freedom to flourish in it found once making that jump.  Both sum up my current experience.


Welcome,
Deb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing.  I so relate to both your struggle in not having any local egalitarian friends and the new love for being a woman and the freedom to flourish in it found once making that jump.  Both sum up my current experience.</p>
<p>Welcome,<br />
Deb</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2010/02/thank-you-but-what-else/comment-page-2/#comment-90855</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome Lisa, not only to this blog site but into the new freedom in Christ that you have so ably expressed. I&#039;d like to pick up on a couple of lines because, as you&#039;ve experienced, emotive (but false) statements about &quot;a lack of femininity&quot; are often hurled disparagingly at egalitarians.

&quot;- I used to hate being a woman when I was a believer in gender hierarchy, but now I know that I can use my gifts in the church and use my life in so many ways to serve God regardless of my gender. How freeing! It makes me want to praise God that he made me a woman -&quot;.

To my mind you have hit on the truth of the situation in that for you, and many others, this new found freedom is a release into far greater possibilities than are offered a woman in hierarchical church structures. Not only that but an egalitarian view does not rob you of your femininity at all. In fact the reverse, it enables you to see that being a woman won&#039;t disadvantage you in offering your life in service for Christ. You are also right Lisa in feeling the need for encouragement because, sadly, there are plenty of people out there who will want to talk you out of this new sense of freedom. 

Thankfully there are heaps of resources and connections to be found through CBE. Possibly even a chapter of likeminded believers (if you happen to be in the USA) in your area or a CBE listing of egalitarian churches may just uncover one that is near enough for you to attend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome Lisa, not only to this blog site but into the new freedom in Christ that you have so ably expressed. I&#8217;d like to pick up on a couple of lines because, as you&#8217;ve experienced, emotive (but false) statements about &#8220;a lack of femininity&#8221; are often hurled disparagingly at egalitarians.</p>
<p>&#8220;- I used to hate being a woman when I was a believer in gender hierarchy, but now I know that I can use my gifts in the church and use my life in so many ways to serve God regardless of my gender. How freeing! It makes me want to praise God that he made me a woman -&#8221;.</p>
<p>To my mind you have hit on the truth of the situation in that for you, and many others, this new found freedom is a release into far greater possibilities than are offered a woman in hierarchical church structures. Not only that but an egalitarian view does not rob you of your femininity at all. In fact the reverse, it enables you to see that being a woman won&#8217;t disadvantage you in offering your life in service for Christ. You are also right Lisa in feeling the need for encouragement because, sadly, there are plenty of people out there who will want to talk you out of this new sense of freedom. </p>
<p>Thankfully there are heaps of resources and connections to be found through CBE. Possibly even a chapter of likeminded believers (if you happen to be in the USA) in your area or a CBE listing of egalitarian churches may just uncover one that is near enough for you to attend.</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2010/02/thank-you-but-what-else/comment-page-2/#comment-90854</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 07:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Lisa, I echo Mara&#039;s welcome. It&#039;s wonderful to know there are new readers who are finding this site helpful. Many times it is an exercise in faith as we don&#039;t always hear from people like yourself. Hope you&#039;ll continue to contribute and it will be great to journey along with you in your new freedom.

Understanding true equality is something which escapes so many, mostly due to the centuries of poor interpretations of certain bible passages and the pervading culture which has such influence. Once known.....we could never return and want to tell everyone what freedom there is in Christ.

In answer to your question re reform...I think it is a slow process as it has taken so long for hierarchy to become so entrenched. It is also an enlightenment issue so we are always asking God to open the eyes of those who don&#039;t see.
People like yourself who have had their eyes opened will be used of God to challenge and encourage others. 

When we first read about egalitarianism it was the answer to all the questions we had over so many years and gave us solid reasons for what we had instinctively known all along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Lisa, I echo Mara&#8217;s welcome. It&#8217;s wonderful to know there are new readers who are finding this site helpful. Many times it is an exercise in faith as we don&#8217;t always hear from people like yourself. Hope you&#8217;ll continue to contribute and it will be great to journey along with you in your new freedom.</p>
<p>Understanding true equality is something which escapes so many, mostly due to the centuries of poor interpretations of certain bible passages and the pervading culture which has such influence. Once known&#8230;..we could never return and want to tell everyone what freedom there is in Christ.</p>
<p>In answer to your question re reform&#8230;I think it is a slow process as it has taken so long for hierarchy to become so entrenched. It is also an enlightenment issue so we are always asking God to open the eyes of those who don&#8217;t see.<br />
People like yourself who have had their eyes opened will be used of God to challenge and encourage others. </p>
<p>When we first read about egalitarianism it was the answer to all the questions we had over so many years and gave us solid reasons for what we had instinctively known all along.</p>
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		<title>By: Mara</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2010/02/thank-you-but-what-else/comment-page-2/#comment-90853</link>
		<dc:creator>Mara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 05:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome Lisa.
Yes, you&#039;ve found a wonderful spot here and should become a member of CBE if you can.
Another place you can go for encouragement, along with here, is the equality central forum.

http://equalitycentral.com/forum/index.php

Many egals there of many types. Some conservative, others less so, but all honor the Bible and love God.

Again welcome</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome Lisa.<br />
Yes, you&#8217;ve found a wonderful spot here and should become a member of CBE if you can.<br />
Another place you can go for encouragement, along with here, is the equality central forum.</p>
<p><a href="http://equalitycentral.com/forum/index.php" onclick="return TrackClick('http%3A%2F%2Fequalitycentral.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php','http%3A%2F%2Fequalitycentral.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php')" rel="nofollow">http://equalitycentral.com/forum/index.php</a></p>
<p>Many egals there of many types. Some conservative, others less so, but all honor the Bible and love God.</p>
<p>Again welcome</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2010/02/thank-you-but-what-else/comment-page-2/#comment-90852</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m new to this blog site, but I have to say I am very impressed.  I noticed the last post on here was a few days back, but maybe someone will still read this.  

I am a blooming egalitarian, which is completely heretical from where I come from (I&#039;ve only managed to tell some of my closest friends).  I grew up in an extremely complementarian church; I can&#039;t tell you how many sermons I&#039;ve heard on &quot;man&#039;s veto power&quot; until I&#039;m sick of hearing it.  I&#039;ve also heard all the &quot;woman&#039;s highest calling is to be a wife and mother&quot; (notice, I&#039;ve never heard men being extolled to undertake in parenting...how un-masculine, right?).  

In my first few years of high school, I decided to think for myself and was introduced to several egalitarian scholars.  Almost as soon as I was introduced to the subject, I absorbed it in like a dry  sponge (I was reading, thinking, &#039;why hasn&#039;t anyone told me about this before?).  After I became certain that I was going to become a full egalitarian, I felt free.  Complementarians are always saying how egalitarian women are &quot;feminist&quot; and they cannot rejoice in their femininity.  Nothing could be further from the truth - I used to hate being a woman when I was a believer in gender hierarchy, but now I know that I can use my gifts in the church and use my life in many ways to serve God regardless of my gender.  How freeing!  It makes me want to praise God that he made me a woman - not to serve man and make my life all about marriage, but that I can serve my Creator in whatever task he has given to me!  And once I get married, I can have a man that loves me and is my PARTNER not my master.  Now, I know that I can have a marriage with MUTUAL love, respect and submission. 

Alright, I just had to get that out =P.  Like I said, I&#039;m  just a blooming egalitarian, and I am young and in a hard spot with the Church around me.  Please give me some encouragement if you can!  I don&#039;t know any other egalitarians around me, and the viewpoint is very unpopular where I come from.

I completely agree with this last post on beauty.  The Western culture especially is obsessed with the feminine appeal.  I know that so many people have commented on my beauty, but I&#039;d rather have comments on my hard work ethic and my character.  Sadly, I even find this mindset in the church.  How can we make reform?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m new to this blog site, but I have to say I am very impressed.  I noticed the last post on here was a few days back, but maybe someone will still read this.  </p>
<p>I am a blooming egalitarian, which is completely heretical from where I come from (I&#8217;ve only managed to tell some of my closest friends).  I grew up in an extremely complementarian church; I can&#8217;t tell you how many sermons I&#8217;ve heard on &#8220;man&#8217;s veto power&#8221; until I&#8217;m sick of hearing it.  I&#8217;ve also heard all the &#8220;woman&#8217;s highest calling is to be a wife and mother&#8221; (notice, I&#8217;ve never heard men being extolled to undertake in parenting&#8230;how un-masculine, right?).  </p>
<p>In my first few years of high school, I decided to think for myself and was introduced to several egalitarian scholars.  Almost as soon as I was introduced to the subject, I absorbed it in like a dry  sponge (I was reading, thinking, &#8216;why hasn&#8217;t anyone told me about this before?).  After I became certain that I was going to become a full egalitarian, I felt free.  Complementarians are always saying how egalitarian women are &#8220;feminist&#8221; and they cannot rejoice in their femininity.  Nothing could be further from the truth &#8211; I used to hate being a woman when I was a believer in gender hierarchy, but now I know that I can use my gifts in the church and use my life in many ways to serve God regardless of my gender.  How freeing!  It makes me want to praise God that he made me a woman &#8211; not to serve man and make my life all about marriage, but that I can serve my Creator in whatever task he has given to me!  And once I get married, I can have a man that loves me and is my PARTNER not my master.  Now, I know that I can have a marriage with MUTUAL love, respect and submission. </p>
<p>Alright, I just had to get that out =P.  Like I said, I&#8217;m  just a blooming egalitarian, and I am young and in a hard spot with the Church around me.  Please give me some encouragement if you can!  I don&#8217;t know any other egalitarians around me, and the viewpoint is very unpopular where I come from.</p>
<p>I completely agree with this last post on beauty.  The Western culture especially is obsessed with the feminine appeal.  I know that so many people have commented on my beauty, but I&#8217;d rather have comments on my hard work ethic and my character.  Sadly, I even find this mindset in the church.  How can we make reform?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 18:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Jack. I love this. A lot.</description>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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Jane</description>
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<p>Jane</p>
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