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Reviewing Christian Dating Books

Filed under: Dating,Gender Equality
Written by: on Monday, March 29, 2010

I have read a lot of Christian dating books. A lot. I started reading them in high school, as a new Christian. And then when I became passionate about biblical equality, I read even more, in order to analyze their teachings on gender. Through my reading, I have found that the vast majority of books on the topic are unhelpful to egalitarians because they contain any or all of the following problems:

  1. A reliance on cultural assumptions about relationships
  2. A lack of strong biblical teaching and biblical references
  3. An overemphasis on differences between men and women
  4. An assumption that men are designed by God to initiate, lead, and protect while women are designed to submit, respond, and be protected
  5. An overemphasis on romance and a devaluing of singleness, especially when they are written to women

So here are the questions:

  1. What are other unhealthy teachings on gender that you see in Christian dating books? (Let’s please keep these comments respectful and irenic!)
  2. What other specific criteria should we look for when searching for quality Christian books on dating and relationships?
  3. Considering how few good resources we seem to have, what are the “non-negotiables,” i.e. the teachings that must be present (or must be absent) in order to recommend a book?
  4. What good dating books can you recommend?

Also, please feel free to check out our reviews of recent Christian dating books, on the CBE website, and discuss them here on the blog:

  1. Wild at Heart by John Eldredge
  2. Dateable by Justin Lookadoo and Hayley Morgan (now DiMarco)
  3. For Young Women Only by Shaunti Feldhahn and Lisa Rice
  4. A general article on themes in dating books for Christian youth

Note that the current issue of Mutuality (Spring 2010) provides short reviews of dating books too.

Biblical Principles for a Cultural Practice

Filed under: Dating,Gender Equality
Written by: on Wednesday, March 24, 2010

Dating: Biblical Principles for a Cultural Practice
by Christensen Low

Throughout my dating experiences, I have asked many questions. What does it mean to be a godly boyfriend? What does the Bible truly say about dating, finding a mate, and other types of relationships before marriage? If I strip away my cultural background, both in the church and outside of it, what am I left with? What does the Bible really teach about the steps of pursuing someone that you are interested in—both for men and women?

A few months ago I went through a class at my church on biblical dating. I had blushingly told friends about it, but I defended my choice by saying that, if I spent nine years preparing for my career as a teacher, then I think I should spend some time on this aspect of my life that is as important as knowing God’s will for my career. We studied the book How to Get a Date Worth Keeping by Dr. Henry Cloud that challenged our thinking on dating by first stating that the Bible does not clearly include a list or set of commandments on the subject of finding a mate. So, we need to approach the issue from what the Bible does say. In talking with my fellow classmates, I kept hearing things like, “Well, I couldn’t start talking to the man because that’s his job,” or “We need to wait on the guy to call us back.” Where did these expectations come from? I do not believe these ideas are based on the Bible.

One of the fascinating articles on the CBE website is Brian Howell’s “Beyond Damsels and White Steeds.” Howell takes an anthropological look at gender roles and posits that dating is a very new invention, so even the rules of pursuing, calling, and such are also very new. He states in his article that “the actions of the boy to initiate a date are surely rooted in a cultural norm of men as the sexual aggressor.” If one looks closely at the “rules for dating,” they do seem to be rooted in the idea that men are superior to women or at least that they are the conquerors. In order to strip away ideas of hierarchy, we must view our ideas of dating and relationships as being culturally embedded. If we truly wish to pursue God and his will, then we need to consider carefully our “rules of dating,” recognizing that while they may appear to have come directly from the Bible, in actuality they may be more motivated by our cultural values. We must honestly put aside our ideas of roles and look very deeply at what God wants for us.

So, what are the “principles” that we must live by in relation to the opposite gender? What does the Bible say on this important subject? And, since most of us come from an egalitarian perspective, let’s discuss practical suggestions for the following questions too:

  • Who initiates/how should a person initiate if it is not automatically assumed that the man will?
  • Who—the man or the woman—should plan and pay for dates?
  • Isn’t it simply a desire to be lazy and passive when men want women to initiate?
  • How can relationship conflicts be resolved when there is no designated head?
  • Doesn’t every man want to rescue a beauty and every woman want to be a beauty to be rescued?

Chivalry vs Servanthood

Written by: on Saturday, March 20, 2010

I began considering the issue of chivalry some time ago, inspired by a very close friend of mine—more specifically, when he tried to give me his seat.

On this evening, my small group was meeting in my living room. Though there were a few open chairs, I decided to sit against the wall, since I’m one of those people who is often most comfortable on the floor. This attracted the attention of my friend, who practically leapt off the couch and told me to sit there instead.

I appreciated his gesture, and told him so. I also assured him that I really, truly wanted to sit where I was. A lively dialogue ensued, with him practically begging me to take his seat, and me insisting that I was sure—yes, really sure—that I would much prefer the floor. After more verbal tug-of-war than I care to recount, my friend looked at me helplessly and finally protested, “But… you’re a woman!”

Needless to say, I didn’t particularly appreciate that logic.

When talking with him later, it became evident that this was something he had been raised to believe. Real men give up their seats for women. Real men open doors for women. Real men never let women pump their own gas, always scrape the windshield for them, always carry the groceries, and so on. As a man, my friend simply wanted to honor and serve me, a woman he cared about.

I understood where he was coming from, yet something didn’t feel right. I was perplexed as to why. After all, I appreciate being offered a chair. I have no problem with guys opening a door for me. I actually think it’s great when men go out of their way to do small, thoughtful tasks for the women in their lives.

But as I began to pay attention, the system of chivalry began to reveal its weakness to me—and its weakness is just that: it is a system. Like most social systems, it is really bad at taking into account the full personhood of its members. It gives us lots of instructions and assumptions about how to deal with one another, saving us the trouble of, say, actually knowing one another. We are trained to see a single member of a broad class who consequently requires certain treatment.

Chivalry gives everyone a clear role to play, complete with prescribed duties and responses. It puts pressure on men to prove they are manly by fulfilling certain set duties. It puts pressure on women to prove they are feminine by gladly receiving men’s service, whether it actually serves them or not. Chivalry hinges on entitlement and obligation.

Scripture, on the other hand, gives us a much higher standard for our relationships. Rather than assume things about one another as we follow a script, we are to prefer others above ourselves and consider their best interests alongside our own (Philippians 2:3-4). Rather than ask how much is expected of us, we should lay down our entire lives for our brothers and sisters (1 John 3:16). Servanthood hinges on humility and gratitude.

The issue can be confused sometimes, seeing as chivalry and biblical servanthood can outwardly look the same. But in my observation, the problem with chivalry lies not so much in its actions as its intentions. For instance, it is one thing to be asked, “I see that you have X need; may I do Y for you?” It is another to be told, “I see that you are a woman. I have been well-trained in how to treat women. I shall therefore do Y for you.” The first makes me feel honored and blessed. The second makes me feel embarrassed and a bit put upon. I feel freedom to accept or decline the first offer without hurting anyone’s feelings. I feel nervous that refusing the second will be taken as an affront on someone’s manhood.

What about you? How do you see chivalry compare to biblical servanthood? Does chivalrous conduct hurt or help your relationships with the opposite gender? Is there a better way to interact with one another?

Amanda Beattie

Letter to a friend: Paul Washer Sermon

Written by: on Wednesday, March 17, 2010

This was my first response to a friend who was inspired by the American revivalist preacher, Paul Washer, in his series on “What it takes to be a man.”  My friend and I are still discussing this issue, but you may wish to comment after viewing, or listening to the sermon content yourself here.

Managed to track down the ‘U tube’ audio of the “What it takes to be a man” message. Pleased to hear that it had such an impact for you personally. The message was in 6×10 minute segments and took a bit of getting through but I got the gist of it. While I can appreciate the guy’s sincerity, passion and belief that this is what the Bible teaches, I did find it very stereotypical, with constant references to manliness and his love for hunting etc. He is right on the money about the western mindset of dating and of how unbiblical and harmful it can be in the development of responsible relationships. Where I strongly disagree with him though is on the issue of men being designed to lead women and to be the sole provider and protector. His premise that until a man is willing to lead and provide for a woman he should not be considering dating a woman, leaves men with the notion that they are destined by God to lead and women are designed to simply follow their lead.

Granted, for some men, possibly yourself included, this seems to give a real purpose for the male role within the marriage, and a lot of what he has to say in that respect is very admirable, but I still hold to the view that “in Christ” men and women are equals which means that each shares the responsibility of leading, discipling and parenting children. Both should be respected and listened to by one another first, and then by the children as they are nurtured within the home. Both have opinions to bring to the table as together they seek to have a home that glorifies the Lord. The danger of this teaching, which I have to admit is very popular, is that a woman can be relegated to the pretty, empty headed and spiritually deficient little thing whose only job in life is to take care of her man by always being there for him and making sure that both she and the home is a place that is attractive to her husband so that he is not tempted to stray.

I will be the first to admit that men, as a general rule, do not step up to the plate and take responsibility within the home, and in that respect messages like this are very timely to motivate men. My concern is that as admirable and passionate as this sounds, it is still culturally rather than biblically motivated. These ideas of family are dated and probably belong in the post war, 1950′s family TV show era. True Biblical injunctions on the other hand are timeless and supra-cultural in that they transcend all cultural, ethnic and class settings. Big words and ideas but what they mean is this; Christ came to fully redeem both men and women from the effects of the curse. Life and work doesn’t have to be difficult and a hard slog as Paul Washer suggests. We are meant to be “in Christ” (as men and women), walking in the spirit, operating from a position of “rest” and total reliance on Him. Both genders are to cultivate the fruit of the Spirit and display a “considering one another, provoking one another to love and good deeds” kind of atmosphere within the home. This can only happen when couples are prepared to be mutually submissive to one another.

So….preparing couples for marriage should include the kind of teaching that doesn’t condemn us to grit our teeth and live out the effects of the curse but should entice and excite us to live in the “new way”, the way of the Spirit, that sets us free and allows both men and women to be all that God wants them to be. The only thing that isn’t easy about this is that we each must give up the rights to our own life and allow Jesus to call the tune. If we are both doing that then it is a win-win situation because each of us is willing to submit to the will of God for our family and for each other. In that sense we can break free of cultural expectations, which exist even in the church, and carve out our own destiny under the guidance of God and His Word. When married couples have the same Christ centred expectations of their relationship, marriage and Kingdom living there is nothing that will create a need for one to have leadership responsibility over the other.

The Full Meaning

Written by: on Friday, March 12, 2010

Baptism in Christ: Giving Words Their Full Meaning

Recently a friend of mine received a very distinguished award from her denomination for her long-term leadership in promoting the “maximum baptismal role of women in the Church.” As I pondered our baptismal role, I remembered that many baptismal fonts from the early church had Galatians 3:26-28 inscribed on them. Why? Baptism, rather than circumcision, became the public expression of our covenantal relationship with God, attained through our union with Christ. Just as Christ rose victoriously over sin, we too rise out of the waters of baptism, symbolizing our rising victorious with Christ over sin. United to Christ in baptism, God does not look upon our sins, but sees that we are clothed in Christ, a reality that Paul summarizes in Galatians 3:27-29: “You are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

To be united to Christ completely redefines our identity and status with respect to God. It also redefines our relationship to one another. In the same way Christ established satisfaction or peace between sinners and God, so too Christ builds peace between the members of his body—the Church. Because of this, theologians suggest that our christology (what we understand about Christ and our salvation in him) directs our ecclesiology (what we understand about the Church). Just as there is an intimacy or a union between Christ and each redeemed soul, there is also unity or mutuality between those who are redeemed by Christ. To be in Christ is never simply a statement solely about one’s redemptive status. For our redemption also directly influences our status in relationship to one another, as members of Christ’s body.

Paul boldly suggests in Galatians 3 that Jews and Greeks, slaves and free, males and females are all one in Christ. He wrote these words to a world in which nearly half of the population were slaves. How radical Galatians 3:28 must have sounded to first century ears! How radical our baptism remains today! Be clear about this! Our relationship with Jesus changes everything! That is the true meaning of baptism. Our significance and influence is not defined by our earthly parents but through our relationship to God from whom we receive our ultimate inheritance. And our sisters and brothers receive the same inheritance and gifts from God’s Spirit. These gifts never come in pink or blue, yellow, black, or white. Through the power of the Cross, expressed in Christian baptism, we no longer ascribe value, dignity, and worth according to social status, ethnicity, gender, or class. Hallelujah.

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