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Three Arguments

Written by: on Friday, May 14, 2010

One of the instruments God used to convince me that holding office in the church ought to follow calling rather than gender was an article written when I was four years old. I’m grateful for the pastor who gave me a copy of John Jefferson Davis’s insightful piece entitled, “Ordination of Women Reconsidered: Discussion of 1 Timothy 2:8-15.”

Davis gives three arguments in favor of the ordination of women to office in the church. The first has to do with the nature of ordination as understood in the Reformed tradition. Davis argues that the prohibition of women’s teaching contained here is not normative because of the historical context. In other words, Paul writes as the apostolic age is closing and the church is about to move to a period of time prior to the canonization of Scripture and prior to the classical doctrinal formulations found in the Ecumenical councils. Davis concludes that we should expect Paul’s counsel to err on the side of limitation given that the survival of Orthodoxy was not guaranteed from a human perspective.

The second has to do with Paul’s usage of creation narratives. Davis argues that Paul uses a single Old Testament passage to arrive at a variety of theological conclusions. He uses texts to arrive at applications that are church-specific. For example, in writing Romans Paul singles out Adam as the representative figure who brought sin upon humanity in the Fall (Romans 5:12-20). He also applies the creational-grounding of the headship principle as recognition of the mutual-dependence of men and women (I Corinthians 11:2-16). The deception of Eve is applied to all believers in the context of II Corinthians 11:3ff. These examples, claims Davis, show that Paul used the creation narratives in a context-specific rather than an absolutist way.

Paul’s hermeneutical approach is, Davis claims, analogous to his teaching on eating food sacrificed to idols. He writes, “While in principle the Gentile brethren could insist on their ‘creational rights’ to eat meat, Paul urges them to forebear in Christian love out of regard for the consciences of their Jewish brethren” (Davis, 3). Consequently we can determine that a creational right does not result in a blanket permission, and that a creationally endorsed prohibition does not necessarily imply prohibition under different circumstances: “…creational principles are to be applied in such a way as to further the redemptive ends of the unity of the church and growth in Christian maturity” (Davis, 3).

The third is Paul’s root concerns for the health of the churches. Davis summarizes these root concerns as follows: (1) the preservation of sound doctrine; (2) the unity and good order of the church; (3) the solidarity of the Christian family. In the context of I Timothy, Davis outlines examples of problems in all three of these areas. He concludes therefore, “If this reading of the historical circumstances surrounding the pastoral epistles is valid, then it could be argued that, given different conditions, Paul’s ‘root concerns’ could be maintained with polity forms differing from the one’s envisioned [in 1 Timothy]” (Davis, 3). As a result, each candidate for ordination, whether male or female, ought to be considered in light of these three root concerns. Quite simply, candidates should not be barred from ordination simply because of their gender as male or female.

Is Davis compelling to you?

Bibliographical information: Davis, John Jefferson. “Ordination of Women Reconsidered: Discussion of I Timothy 2:8-15.” Presbyterian Communiqué. November/December 1979.

8 Comments »

Comment by Lisa Guinther

May 14, 2010 @ 4:25 pm

Jeff,

Thanks for your post.

I’d like to address the last paragraph you posted; mainly on the health of the church and the Apostle Paul’s concerns there. To a large extent, the same concerns that Paul had then for the health of the church are similar to the concerns now. There have been claims that the church in America today is become “feminized”. And in the context of the time of Paul’s writing, many women were attracted to Christianity for the basic rights and freedoms that it offered.

In America in the 21st century men and women longing for “traditional” ( read conservative) values are drawn to the church for like minded fellowship. When you take a snap-shot or go on the idea of deductive reasoning; this statement is true. If by feminized you define the term towards who is being attracted to enter the church body, by-and-large there are more women than men drawn in.

In the church I have just recently joined; I asked for the demographics and what they show bears out this claim; there are over 300 more women over the age 18 than there are men. So to a certain extent the statement is true. Yet in discussions with the director of the separate men’s ministry; the statement I was told was “Men just don’t want to open up and share their problems when women are present.” How troubling is this statement when actually women tend to say the same thing of men!

But in this particular church (and I assume of the same denomination of the Davis article) women are given leadership roles; in pastorate, preaching, elders and deacons. But the overall thought is to keep the men separate from the women for the express purpose of trying to attract more men.

You know, the only word that denotes separate but equal is “Apartheid”. History will show how it worked in America (before the Civil Rights Movement) and in South Africa.

I do not deny that in a therapeutic arena; many times it may be important to segregate the sexes for the beginnings of healing to take place. But to continue to segregate the sexes is contra-productive to the health of the body of Christ.

The Apostle Paul’s whole theology hinges on the unity of the body of Christ; there is never a sense of division between men and women. All gifts are needed and there is no gender specificity.

To continue to separate the genders is to buy into the idea that somehow men and women are not equal or cannot equally contribute to the health of the body of Christ as a whole. Human beings all have gifts to offer to the body of Christ and to keep them separate diminished the offerings. We have to stop putting traditional labels on gifts and wrapping pink or blue ribbons on the gospel.

Thank you Jeff for this post; please keep the discussion going.

Comment by Don Johnson

May 15, 2010 @ 12:25 pm

Is the original paper online somewhere?

Comment by Frank

May 16, 2010 @ 1:32 pm

Jeff, I haven’t read Davis’s original article on this topic, but he did write an updated and expanded version, “First Timothy 2:12, the Ordination of Women, and Paul’s Use of Creation Narratives,” which appears in Priscilla Papers Vol. 23, No.2, Spring 2009, pp. 5-10. An excellent article for answering questions raised by hierarchical complementarians who misinterpret Paul and his use of the Creation Narrative. I highly recommend it. And I believe, Don, you can access this article through the CBE website under “Publications.”

Comment by Deborah

May 16, 2010 @ 2:03 pm

Those points alone don’t do it for me. However, looking at the variety of emphasis and application given creation narratives is helpful. Thanks!

Comment by Deborah

May 16, 2010 @ 2:04 pm

(I am an egalitarian; however, I would not have found these arguments sufficient.)

Comment by Don Johnson

May 16, 2010 @ 2:47 pm

I like the fuller paper in PP. It is a contribution that shows that the non-egal reading of 1 Tim 2 is not required and that an egal reading is certainly possible.

Comment by Amanda Beattie

May 17, 2010 @ 11:38 pm

I agree with Deborah (91358-9); I think these are very interesting and contribute to the discussion in a valuable way, but I’m not sure they stand on their own. It seems like there is quite a bit of speculation as to Paul’s intent, given the historical context–speculations which may very well be correct, but would be difficult (if not impossible) to prove. I feel like the second point was the strongest, simply because it had the most Scripture in it.

Comment by Frank

May 22, 2010 @ 9:16 am

For myself, I feel that of the three arguments offered by Davis, the second and third have the clearest and strongest support from Scripture. Early on, when I had begun to examine the rational and practical aspects of Paul’s teaching on the Spirit’s gifting and calling, the unity and diversity of the Body, the New Creation in Christ, etc.–it became clear to me that 1 Tim. 2:11-15 was a prohibition pertaining to an exceptional situation–it was not the norm.

However, this was all a process of examining and weighing the whole of Paul’s teaching and practice in the NT, not just two isolated texts, 1 Cor. 14:34-35 and 1 Tim. 2:11-15. And while Paul’s variable use of the creation narratives was an important factor in my coming to see his teaching on men and women in Christ in a new light, it wasn’t the only factor. And I suspect this is true of many of us.

As for the first argument, while I understand what Davis is saying, I find I disagree with some of its assumptions and implications, even though my own roots are Reformed and Baptist. There are two or three one could discuss: The Canonization of Scripture and the cessation of Prophecy; the definition, growth and development of “Orthodoxy”; and the connection between the Spirit’s gifting and calling, ordination, and church offices. And since the latter is more pertinent to our present discussion, I’ll briefly comment on that.

Normally, it is assumed that as one recognizes one’s gifting and calling to a particular office, if the elders confer, then he or she goes off and gets the necessary academic training, is certified as a trained minister, then goes through an ordination process by which they are made authorized ministers.

But is that really what the New Testament itself teaches as regards maturity in Christ, the Spirit’s gifting and calling to ministry, the elders’ laying on of hands, and then one’s engaging in ministry? I think that NT passages like Acts 13:1-3 ought to lead us to question these traditional assumptions regarding ordination, ministry, and the Spirit’s gifting and call. Indeed, many assumptions about church office, ordination, and ministry in so-called Reformed churches are actually remnants of Roman Catholic teaching that have been carried over unquestioned and unchanged.

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