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Living out the gospel of equality

Written by: on Thursday, August 12, 2010

When I first became a Christian, I was very zealous. Some might say over-zealous. I was one of those Christians that make you want to cover your eyes while peeking through your fingers so that you can see what damage was being done. I was so bowled over by the power of the gospel, I was sure that everyone else would thank me for telling them about Jesus. Unfortunately, to my surprise, not everyone thought it was the great news as I thought, and not everyone received it as joyfully as I did. Their response surprised me… but didn’t stop me. I often continued to pursue them with the truth, because I thought that if I could only explain it clearly enough, then they would see what I was seeing. Sadly, my well-meaning zeal only served to alienate them from me and from the gospel.

Suffice it to say, this same thing happened when my suspicions were confirmed about God’s love for equality. For many years, I had been so conflicted because of what I thought the Scriptures taught about men and women. I feared that if such a hierarchy were true, then an incongruous nature about God was being revealed, and that greatly troubled me. But it wasn’t true. It really is for freedom that Christ has set us free (Gal 5:1), and the freeing nature of the truth overwhelmed me so much, I wanted to tell everyone about it. What I saw and understood was such great news, I was sure everyone would thank me for it once they really understood what those passages of Scripture really mean and how Jesus really views women. If only I could explain it clearly enough so that they could understand! My persistent excitement and eagerness to bring freedom dribbled down into an excess of obnoxious argumentation. Rather than helping people understand, I found myself offending, instead. I lost a few friends in the process and was so disheartened by it that I was effectually silenced.

Something I learned after I had walked with Jesus for a few years is that if you live out the gospel, then skeptics will eventually inquire about and welcome your good news. The proof is in the pudding.

Recently, I found myself worshiping next to an old friend who grew up in a church with a strong hierarchical stance in the church and in the home. I have never had any biblical or theological debate with him about biblical equality, but I assume that he thinks that the office of the pastor is for men and not women and that the head of the household is the man. I don’t think these beliefs are based on any conscious biblical investigation but exist simply because these ideas are the bedrock of his church culture. But that day, he chose to be at our church, and, coincidentally, that day, our woman pastor was preaching. Sitting next to him, I heard him laugh at her jokes and could tell that he was listening attentively. Discussion about the sermon later confirmed that he had indeed learned from her — a woman.

This is when I realized something I should’ve known all along. I’ve been saying all these years that it didn’t make sense why revelation from God spoken out of a woman’s mouth would be nullified simply because she was a woman. If children can learn from a woman, and other women can learn from a woman, why couldn’t men? Truth is truth no matter who speaks it. But this time I didn’t have to argue it. It just happened in real time. A man learned from a woman (how revolutionary is that!). And it dawned on me that perhaps that is how this revolution will really take place — not solely and primarily through arguments and debates (although there is a time for explaining and theologizing) but — by living out the gospel of equality. If it is really true, then it will stand the test of time and prevail. It will prevail! And I’m looking forward to that day.

26 Comments »

Comment by Mabel

August 13, 2010 @ 10:43 pm

Many attend churches that put restrictions on women, who are not allowed to preach, to be pastors, etc. How do they live out the gospel of equality under that restriction? One can live out the gospel because living it is personal and does not requirement other’s permission or co-operation. Living out the gospel of equality is a bit trickier, unfortunately.

Comment by Mabel

August 13, 2010 @ 10:44 pm

Sorry, requirement should read require.

Comment by Deborah

August 14, 2010 @ 10:05 am

Amen, Mary Ann. And I love your humor.

I would add that sometimes you don’t have to even say anything in comp circles to instigate rejection. It is silence at the appropriate moments to express agreement w/ hierarchy that makes other women/men think you are unsafe. This was my experience in a church that was only moderately comp and where women now preach (but gender hierarchy in church–in terms of the top leaders–and especially marriage is maintained). Certainly I have also strained some relationships w/ my zeal for the message, but in that church (the most open one I know in the area) even my silence spoke too much. At such times it is tricky to see how the message of equality will prevail as Mabel says, but I still think God used me a lot even if it came at the cost of being run out of town, so to speak, by some of the influential folk. And I guess I can only pray for those around me and nurture God’s truth for myself and trust that who He enables me will cause me to be a testimony sooner or later to many more.

Comment by Paula

August 15, 2010 @ 4:52 pm

I can relate to your zeal, Mary Ann. When I was younger my brother called me “The Holy Roller” :)-

The gospel is, by nature, revolutionary. When I was stuck in a strict, complementarian “family of churches”, I was taught that staying true to the gospel meant being subordinated to men. This, I was told, was radically counter-cultural. Being submissive to men was not only the right position for women to take, it was a matter of obedience to God and His Word.

Funny how that “obedience to the gospel” nearly quenched my zeal and snuffed out my fire for God. It wasn’t “obedience to the gospel” they were preaching: they preached conformity to their carefully crafted quasi-Christian environment.

There’s an old quote I have written in my Bible that I agree with, by someone named J. Hawes: “The gospel may be neglected, but it cannot be understandingly disbelieved.”

I believe the message of egalitarianism as rooted in the gospel of Jesus Christ is what true seekers are longing for. What saddens me is seeing the world embrace many elements of egalitarianism in the name of other gods, while some Christians vehemently resist it. The church is supposed to be the vanguard of the Kingdom and a true demonstration of the reality of the gospel!

Let’s bring it!

Comment by Mary Ann

August 16, 2010 @ 3:22 pm

It’s true, Mabel. In a church environment where there are no female pastors, it would be harder to live out the gospel of equality in silence — at least, in regard to the role of women in the church. But would it be possible in those places to teach where they can teach and teach WELL? For example, in the children’s ministry, to other women… or what about having a Bible study in the home and say you are “co-leading/teaching” w/another male, and then take those opportunities to teach. Perhaps this will capitalize on an opportunity to demonstrate that women can be used by God to teach. I don’t know…

I used to be a part of a complementarian parachurch org, where I was the head of the women’s ministry. They were ok w/my teaching the whole group, IF I was introduced by the male head so as to show his “covering” over me. That did annoy me, but it’s either not teach at all (which would be nothing less than disobedience to God for me, since He was calling me to deliver a message to the group) or submit to that while I was there and pray that the way God has gifted me would be apparent as I obeyed him.

For married folks, I also think that another way to live out the gospel of equality is to live out the egalitarian marriage and SHOW others how effective it is and joy-giving. I used to be pretty bent on wanting to rescue complementarians wives out of their lifestyle of indentured servitude by telling them, but then I realized that sometimes they are not ready to hear that right away. I’ve since learned to just share about how my husband and I share responsibilities and pray that they will ask questions about that. It’s difficult though because this may result in “oh, your husband is such a sweetie for doing that” (i.e. that which he isn’t supposed to do) or “you’re lucky”. There’s a time for just embodying truths through actions, but there’s also a time for speaking out truth to explain our actions.

Comment by Sarah

August 16, 2010 @ 3:37 pm

Thanks for sharing your story, especially the humility displayed. I learned the “good news” of Biblical equality at a comp Bible college. My innocent assumption that my dormmate would be as interested in and refreshed by all the new things I was learning resulted in me being the subject of prayer for my “rebellion” by a significant number of fellow students. I was unaware of this until my roommate apologized after learning that some of what I shared was being taught in her New Testament survey class (although I’m sure the prof didn’t follow the scholarship to its egalitarian conclusion). I agree – living out Biblical equality is essential to opening people’s eyes. I think it’s very important to be openly, passionately, and biblically Christian before presenting biblical equality to our Christian family. Besides being the right thing to do anyway, living a life that openly honors the Bible really throws a monkey wrench into arguments that egalitarians don’t take the authority of Scripture seriously. And I agree – if God is in it, it will prevail – but as our Christian history well attests, it’s often darkest before the dawn. The best things often are accepted only through struggle, and I predict resistance and polarization will escalate until the tipping point of acceptance in the Christian community is reached. Another reason that we Christian egals need to exemplify Christian conduct and attitudes in the church, even and especially when the other side isn’t. Again, the right thing to do – but the same Enemy who has helped muzzle and oppress women in the church is the one who most enjoys it when the church is divided and Christians tear one another to shreds.

Comment by Mabel

August 16, 2010 @ 5:55 pm

Mary Ann and Sarah, you are absolutely doing the right thing, to be good at your ministries and by your actions prove that God gifts women too, & that they can serve in any capacity that men can serve in. This is being done in many churches, including my own. My daughter is the youth minister, and she can preach (once a year, on youth Sunday), conduct workshops for parents (mixed company), conduct communion and baptize believers, men and women. Our children’s minister is a brilliant woman, who has been given the responsibility of running the, get this, Family Ministry, which is practically taking care of the entire church. Her husband, a freelance pastor by choice, is the best of the best as a help meet :-)
Now comes to the part I see as hypocrisy and inconsistency. 2 male ministers will be ordained within the next 6 months while these 2 female ministers, who have been with the church longer, and just as good if not better, are not being considered for ordination.
I am against the whole system of ordination. I find scant biblical basis for it. However, if you are to ordain, then you should be consistent.
I have asked our senior pastor and our elders the following 5 questions:

1. Define “ordination” according to the scriptures. Cite verses and explain them.
2. Is “Pastor” a title or is “Pastor” a description of function.
3. What functions do the “Pastor ” perform and which of these functions are restricted to men only.
4. If women cannot be “Pastors”, should they be barred from performing pastoral functions, i.e. teaching, discipling, leading, preaching (same as teaching), design programs, train leaders, etc.
5. If women can perform pastoral functions and you do not call them “Pastor”, are you simply conferring a Title? If so, is that Biblical?

My Church governing Board sees nothing wrong with ordaining 2 newer male ministers. This is the time that I feel like someone needs to challenge their actions, esp. when they are quite open in giving women ministry opportunities. I challenge them to not confuse “function” and “title”. I am thankful that the wife of a to-be-ordained minister encourage me to question the Board’s decision. Her husband offers to hold off the ordination until the Board decides to ordain the ladies.

So every situation is different. I completely agree with what you do in your situation. In my situation, I decided that someone has to challenge the leaders.

So far, I have not heard from the Elders. I hope God will use me to hold the leaders accountable. They are all good people, trying to do the right thing. I believe I am helping them to be better leaders by forcing them to define their own actions with Scriptures.

Comment by Sarah

August 16, 2010 @ 6:44 pm

Mabel – wonderful. I’ll say a prayer for the situation. A real blessing that you seem to have the one pastor’s support. For the record, I don’t believe that behaving in a loving, Christian fashion is inconsistent with confrontation; often, passive silence is truly unbiblical. From what I can see, your questions are very consistent with seeking and revealing truth – which is at the heart of the Bible. Unfortunately, many Christians are good at being “nice” and no good whatsoever in the real nuts and bolts of Christian conduct – in the challenging times of conflict, misunderstanding and disagreement. In an ideal world, this is where we believers should shine.

Comment by Mabel

August 16, 2010 @ 9:03 pm

Thank you, Sarah. The online egalitarian community offers me an opportunity to express myself without being harshly judged.

Comment by Mary Ann

August 17, 2010 @ 1:10 am

I am in agreement with what Sarah said. In some instances, we must not be silent. We must speak out, and it is not being ‘inconsistent.’ I think it’s awesome what you are doing, Mabel. What’s going on at your church is very inconsistent, and I am glad you are there to step forward and hold them accountable to their actions. I will pray for your situation as well.

Comment by ls

August 17, 2010 @ 6:38 am

I agree that it is Biblical to speak up in a loving and respectful way and that the passive silence and keeping the status quo is not Biblical. The next generation does not get a ‘true’ picture of church community life if passivity and silent status quo are the environment, it seems to me. So, I too, will be praying for your situation, Mabel, and am glad that there is some real consideration by others around you in that the pastor is listening to you and willing to support what is Biblical.

Comment by Mabel

August 17, 2010 @ 10:48 am

For everyone who read my post and offered to pray for the situation I shared, I thank you from the bottom of my heart & soul. I get emotional just reading about the support you have shown me, even tho’ we never met. That is what being of one Body means. Thank you so much.

Comment by Mabel

August 17, 2010 @ 10:48 am

COrrection: post should be comment.

Comment by EMBG (formerly the other "EM")

August 17, 2010 @ 11:19 am

MaryAnn #91726

thanks for your thoughts on living out an “equal partnership” marriage in a comp subculture.

I’m a 4 month newlywed and that’s where I’m at right now. My new husband is also new to the more egal perspective but he is thinking these things through more now and he has found himself persuaded by much of it. We are in a comp church where I believe that God wants us and with which I agree on many things. I’m even willing to accept male only pastors as the best biblical interpretation even though I don’t understand it (I know CBE disagrees) but I don’t accept the pervasive hierarchial complementarian views of the church. And I struggle with that – especially when I see discipleship, training, instruction & mentoring as well as service opportunities withheld from women. Or when women / men are taught things about who they are as image bearers that are not accurate.

But I want to live in community with these dear friends, not dividing over non-essentials but endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

I’d appreciate more thoughts on how to live out true biblical partnership as an example in a comp church and how to humbly and appropriately disagree where necessary without giving undue offense in one’s attitude or stridency (which I can be prone to)….

Comment by Mabel

August 17, 2010 @ 5:01 pm

EMBG,
You may be interested in reading this article in the Priscilla Paper.
http://www.cbeinternational.org/files/u1/free-art/first-timothy-2-12.pdf
What convinced me that women can lead men and women is the story of Debra (Judges 4) and of Huldah (2Kings 22) in the OT. I read these stories over and over and found that God directly called these women to speak for Him. I know that many people say that it is because there were no men available at the time. 1st of all, it is not true, 2ndly, it is an insult to God to say so.
God cannot do something that He would then forbid us to do. I would encourage you to read these stories slowly and carefully. You will see very clearly that God called a woman to be the supreme leader in the nation and called another woman to speak for Him to King and priests.

Comment by Mary Ann

August 17, 2010 @ 11:55 pm

To EMBG #91735,
I know exactly how you feel. I was in the exact same position when I was newly married. I was more thoroughly persuaded about having a cooperative/mutually submissive marriage; meanwhile, my husband was slowly adopting the idea. We wrote an article together in Mutuality Spring 2008 issue. See if you can get a copy of that issue. You may find the other articles helpful also because it is about “Home Economics”. :)

In terms of how to live out true biblical partnership in a comp environment: I think it’s a matter of just living out the day-to-day. Have shared responsibilities when it comes to housework and don’t default to gender stereotypes in your conversations or your actions (for example, my husband and i agreed that housework was “our” responsibility and not “my” responsibility. we agreed to never say to the other, “let me help YOU out.”, but “let me help US out.” this seems minor, but the change of wording has also meant a change of mindset). As you live out the shared responsibilities, people will notice. It happens all the time, when others assume that I do all the cooking and cleaning and childcare. For example, today I was talking on the phone w/one of my comp friends. Because I seemed free to talk, she ask, “Oh, is Baby asleep?” I said, “No, Husband is feeding her right now.” I think that surprised her. Of course, she didn’t say anything, but I’m sure it made an impression.

As to when to “humbly and appropriately disagree where necessary without giving undue offense”, that’s more tricky to me. I am still trying to navigate that successfully… :) :)

Comment by EMBG (formerly the other "EM")

August 18, 2010 @ 8:37 am

Thanks for comments, gals. Much appreciated. Mabel, I’ll read that article.

I’m grateful for my husband. While we want aspects of the traditional model (him as primary breadwinner (esp. when kids are young), we don’t have the traditional mindset. On weeknights, he often does the cooking even though I’m the more experienced cook b/c I get home from work later. We both do different chores. We both encourage, correct and care for each other spiritually. We are both very involved in the community. We both love and are involved in our church – though I tend to be more vexed than he when sexism is obvious or when stereotypes are taught / used to limit women.

One of things that convinced me I could marry my DH was the way he appreciated my personality and didn’t want to limit me in the traditional ways. All the things I’d been told that Christian men disliked (women who like making decisions, are strong-minded, are successful in their careers, are very involved in public roles, are “intimidating”, & have a strong sense of life direction) were things he liked about me. He doesn’t like making all – or even most – of the decisions, so we collaborate a lot and he is very helpful and supportive of my goals as I try to be of his. I didn’t want a marriage like many of the comp ones around me and I figured I’d stay single if that’s what biblical marriage had to be. I learned that it didn’t, but still, that was what my godly guy friends wanted – until DH showed up, that is. :-)

Comment by Christy

August 19, 2010 @ 7:07 am

The power to convince others of spiritual truths is not within our personal power. That power belongs solely to the Holy Spirit. Our part is to be witnesses (both in word and deed) of what we know and of that which we are convinced. Therefore, as we grow more accurately and precisely in our understanding of the Gospel, we become better witnesses. Even that growth in knowledge is the work of the Holy Spirit working within us. As we live dependently on God He will use us to bring in His harvest. From our end it may seem hard – conflicts, loss of favor and friends, seemingly little progress, etc., but the battle is the Lord’s and He will fulfill His plans. Only He knows the true affect on the hearts of others of each word and action that comes from our lives. We must never let hardships diminish our love of the Truth from being proclaimed.

Comment by Liz

August 19, 2010 @ 6:12 pm

Thanks for that timely reminder Christy. It is also encouraging to know that God is interested in our motives and sometimes it is many years before we hear of any results from our ‘witnessing’ (whatever form that takes)

Another thing I keep reminding myself about is that often people change their minds about an issue without realising it or acknowledging their change of view. It can be a gradual awareness and usually the people don’t attribute their change to something we have said or done….keeps us humble!

Comment by RED

August 25, 2010 @ 10:25 am

EMBG,

Congratulations on your fabulous catch of a husband ;) It is truly wonderful when a man can get outside the traditional stereotypes and love a woman for just who she is. It is the same with my husband…and likewise, that’s a huge part of why I felt confident to marry him.

Enjoy your wonderful marriage! And trust me; you WILL impact the people around you just by living out the day-to-day stuff. My hubby and I have only been married for 4 years but we’ve already seen it happen.

Be aware, though; even the quiet day-to-day stuff may cause offense to some people. I had a comp friend who had been raised to downplay her ambitions and talents to fit the “role” of wife and mother better, and she became frustrated and jealous of me when I refused to downplay my own ambitions in married life. It caused a rift between us. So be prepared for a few consequences, because we cannot always control how other people receive us.

Comment by Ben

August 26, 2010 @ 4:05 pm

Living out the “gospel” of “equality”??

There is NO such gospel found in the Holy Scripture. The only GOSPEL of the Holy Scriture is the good news that God in Jesus Christ has fulfilled His promises to Israel, and that a way of “salvation” has been opened to all, who will believe the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the sins of the world. This only gospel of the Bible not only comes in power (1 Thes 1:5), but is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes in His Son.

“gospel” of “equality”?
Galatians 1:9 “if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!”

Comment by Sonnet

August 26, 2010 @ 6:53 pm

The good news is that through Christ we can be reconciled with God AND with one another. We are able to love (even our enemies) because He first loved us.

The gospel (good news)is also described in Luke 4:18-19 TNIV:

“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”

Comment by Sonnet

August 26, 2010 @ 6:54 pm

Equality is about setting the oppressed free.

Comment by Don Johnson

August 27, 2010 @ 8:29 am

The gospel is accepting Jesus as savior and Lord. Part of the Lord aspect is allowing the Holy Spirit to guide one more and more into God’s Kingdom, God loves and accepts us where we are at, but he does not want us to stay where we started! As Jesus and the NT authors teach equality, this is one aspect of moving more and more into God’s Kingdom.

Comment by Sarah

August 30, 2010 @ 6:48 pm

In response to Ben, my understanding of the original post is that the equality of believers in Christ is “good news,” the root meaning of the old word “gospel.” Of course, THE Good News is our reconciliation to God by his Son Jesus’ incarnation, sacrifice and resurrection, from which all other Biblical good news flows. I’m glad to see that Ben is quick to give the Gospel its due and avoid any appearance of subordinating it to secondary matters. My hope is that he is as quick to do so when others explicitly or implicitly tie gender subordination to the Gospel.

Comment by Christy

August 31, 2010 @ 6:34 am

The Gospel levels all humanity. All have sinned, no one is righteous, everyone equally is without excuse so that no one can boast. At the same time, all those who are saved have come to salvation the exact same way, whether Jew or Gentile. No one is more saved or more a child of God than any other true Christian. Our maturity in Christ varies but not our standing before God. Again, no one can boast except in the Lord. In this sense we are equal… including male and female. Both sexes have utterly fallen – males are not naturally less evil than females. Therefore, no one can boast over another. In Christ both sexes are equally cleansed and forgiven of their sins. Both sexes are fit vessels to be used fully by God for His purposes and for His glory. Females were created to reflect God.

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