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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2012/05/a-pentecost-celebration/comment-page-1/#comment-96396</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 15:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you. I don&#039;t see how we (anyone) can claim to know for certain that all gifts are *not* granted today. We don&#039;t know everything that goes on everywhere, and so though we may not see, for example, a gift of healing, it does not mean that divine healing does not occur somewhere outside of our circles and outside of our awareness.

So I guess that I am not a cessationist, either.

We have the Spirit today: We have gifts today. It seems pretty straightforward...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. I don&#8217;t see how we (anyone) can claim to know for certain that all gifts are *not* granted today. We don&#8217;t know everything that goes on everywhere, and so though we may not see, for example, a gift of healing, it does not mean that divine healing does not occur somewhere outside of our circles and outside of our awareness.</p>
<p>So I guess that I am not a cessationist, either.</p>
<p>We have the Spirit today: We have gifts today. It seems pretty straightforward&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2012/05/a-pentecost-celebration/comment-page-1/#comment-96391</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jun 2012 01:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not a cessationist, I believe all the Spiritual gifts are active today.   The funny thing is I was given some but I did not even know what was going on as I was just recently reborn when it happened and was not familiar with those areas of Scripture that discuss gifts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a cessationist, I believe all the Spiritual gifts are active today.   The funny thing is I was given some but I did not even know what was going on as I was just recently reborn when it happened and was not familiar with those areas of Scripture that discuss gifts.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2012/05/a-pentecost-celebration/comment-page-1/#comment-96390</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oy! The split over slavery. Sorry about the typo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy! The split over slavery. Sorry about the typo.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2012/05/a-pentecost-celebration/comment-page-1/#comment-96389</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 18:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Don,
I believe I had heard that somewhere before, about the spit over slavery.

And yes...heh...&quot;conservative&quot; is indeed something I noted on my own.

I still have difficulty, though, following how they think the gifts given at Pentecost would not apply, today. 

From the latest issue of &quot;Arise&quot;:

Moses&#039; vision was the vision of Joel, the reality of Pentecost:

&quot;Peter stood with the other eleven apostles. He raised his voice and declared, &#039;Judeans and everyone living in Jerusalem! Know this! Listen carefully to my words! These people aren&#039;t drunk, as you suspect; after all, it&#039;s only nine o&#039;clock in the morning! Rather, this is what was spoken through the prophet Joel:

In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy.
Your young will see visions.
Your elders will dream dreams.
Even upon my servants, men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy&#039;&quot; (Acts 2:14-18, CEB).

On Pentecost, Peter declares, the day has come in which the wish of Moses is realized. There is no stinginess in the outpouring of the Spirit.

So then, I am left asking, the last days of what? Since apparently their understanding is that the phrase applies to some period of time that has been over for a number of years. Yet we are still receiving the Holy Spirit! I&#039;m not a gymnast, and feel that I should be in order to understand from the scripture that we are given the Holy Spirit now, yet the giftings listed were given only in the past. I don&#039;t see where that&#039;s coming from, unless I count the fact that the denomination is not Pentecostal. But even so, I believe there can be some middle ground....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Don,<br />
I believe I had heard that somewhere before, about the spit over slavery.</p>
<p>And yes&#8230;heh&#8230;&#8221;conservative&#8221; is indeed something I noted on my own.</p>
<p>I still have difficulty, though, following how they think the gifts given at Pentecost would not apply, today. </p>
<p>From the latest issue of &#8220;Arise&#8221;:</p>
<p>Moses&#8217; vision was the vision of Joel, the reality of Pentecost:</p>
<p>&#8220;Peter stood with the other eleven apostles. He raised his voice and declared, &#8216;Judeans and everyone living in Jerusalem! Know this! Listen carefully to my words! These people aren&#8217;t drunk, as you suspect; after all, it&#8217;s only nine o&#8217;clock in the morning! Rather, this is what was spoken through the prophet Joel:</p>
<p>In the last days, God says,<br />
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.<br />
Your sons and daughters will prophesy.<br />
Your young will see visions.<br />
Your elders will dream dreams.<br />
Even upon my servants, men and women,<br />
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,<br />
and they will prophesy&#8217;&#8221; (Acts 2:14-18, CEB).</p>
<p>On Pentecost, Peter declares, the day has come in which the wish of Moses is realized. There is no stinginess in the outpouring of the Spirit.</p>
<p>So then, I am left asking, the last days of what? Since apparently their understanding is that the phrase applies to some period of time that has been over for a number of years. Yet we are still receiving the Holy Spirit! I&#8217;m not a gymnast, and feel that I should be in order to understand from the scripture that we are given the Holy Spirit now, yet the giftings listed were given only in the past. I don&#8217;t see where that&#8217;s coming from, unless I count the fact that the denomination is not Pentecostal. But even so, I believe there can be some middle ground&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2012/05/a-pentecost-celebration/comment-page-1/#comment-96388</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 21:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The PCA is the name for the Southern portion of the Presbyterians that divided from the Northerm portion over the issue of slavery.  They tend to be what is called &quot;conservative&quot; and from what you posted are &quot;cessationist&quot; that is, they believe that some of the gifts from the Holy Spirit ceased after being used to help start the church.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PCA is the name for the Southern portion of the Presbyterians that divided from the Northerm portion over the issue of slavery.  They tend to be what is called &#8220;conservative&#8221; and from what you posted are &#8220;cessationist&#8221; that is, they believe that some of the gifts from the Holy Spirit ceased after being used to help start the church.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2012/05/a-pentecost-celebration/comment-page-1/#comment-96387</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2012 18:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Update: My husband says that in the denomination to which our previous church belonged (Presbyterian Church in America, or &quot;PCA&quot;), the understanding of Pentecost (and why they don&#039;t celebrate it, apparently) is that the gifts given at Pentecost were for a specific time/that specific time (in the past). Those gifts supposedly are no longer given out. 

In the context of the recognition of the event as a fulfillment of prophecy with the recognition of it being part of &quot;the last days&quot;, I don&#039;t see how they reach that conclusion. Among other arguments I have with that understanding. It just seems really weird to me...

Thoughts? He may be mistaken (though since he grew up in the PCA...), I may have an incorrect understanding of &quot;the last days&quot;.....
??

Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update: My husband says that in the denomination to which our previous church belonged (Presbyterian Church in America, or &#8220;PCA&#8221;), the understanding of Pentecost (and why they don&#8217;t celebrate it, apparently) is that the gifts given at Pentecost were for a specific time/that specific time (in the past). Those gifts supposedly are no longer given out. </p>
<p>In the context of the recognition of the event as a fulfillment of prophecy with the recognition of it being part of &#8220;the last days&#8221;, I don&#8217;t see how they reach that conclusion. Among other arguments I have with that understanding. It just seems really weird to me&#8230;</p>
<p>Thoughts? He may be mistaken (though since he grew up in the PCA&#8230;), I may have an incorrect understanding of &#8220;the last days&#8221;&#8230;..<br />
??</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Sonnet</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2012/05/a-pentecost-celebration/comment-page-1/#comment-96318</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 02:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found a bunch of fun ideas at this site:
http://www.rockies.net/~spirit/sermons/sr-pentecost-celebrate.php
I particularly like the idea of a birthday cake with candles that don&#039;t blow out.

Michelle, I&#039;ve also wondered if a lot of churches opt to downplay this event because it points to gender equality within the Church. I used to attend a church that celebrated Palm Sunday annually with palm branches and references to Christ&#039;s triumphal entry into Jerusalem through music and scripture reading. Yet at this same church, I don&#039;t remember any special celebration for Pentecost. Ever.

I&#039;m glad to hear that the Messianics and Methodists are already celebrating this event.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found a bunch of fun ideas at this site:<br />
<a href="http://www.rockies.net/~spirit/sermons/sr-pentecost-celebrate.php" onclick="return TrackClick('http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockies.net%2F%7Espirit%2Fsermons%2Fsr-pentecost-celebrate.php','http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockies.net%2F%7Espirit%2Fsermons%2Fsr-pentecost-celebrate.php')" rel="nofollow">http://www.rockies.net/~spirit/sermons/sr-pentecost-celebrate.php</a><br />
I particularly like the idea of a birthday cake with candles that don&#8217;t blow out.</p>
<p>Michelle, I&#8217;ve also wondered if a lot of churches opt to downplay this event because it points to gender equality within the Church. I used to attend a church that celebrated Palm Sunday annually with palm branches and references to Christ&#8217;s triumphal entry into Jerusalem through music and scripture reading. Yet at this same church, I don&#8217;t remember any special celebration for Pentecost. Ever.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear that the Messianics and Methodists are already celebrating this event.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2012/05/a-pentecost-celebration/comment-page-1/#comment-96299</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 21:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it is amazing! I always presumed the reason Pentecost was not celebrated at my previous church was because the verses indicate that women are to be heard with no restrictions that are not placed on male believers!

I, too, believe it is cause for celebration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is amazing! I always presumed the reason Pentecost was not celebrated at my previous church was because the verses indicate that women are to be heard with no restrictions that are not placed on male believers!</p>
<p>I, too, believe it is cause for celebration.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Johnson</title>
		<link>http://blog.cbeinternational.org/2012/05/a-pentecost-celebration/comment-page-1/#comment-96297</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 14:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Messianics already celebrate this as the Biblical festival of Shavuot, with the enhanced meaning of Pentecost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Messianics already celebrate this as the Biblical festival of Shavuot, with the enhanced meaning of Pentecost.</p>
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