Married to Liz for 46 years and together we have 4 sons who have in turn produced 8 grandchildren. We served in ministry together in the one church for 35 years in Western Australia. Mostly ministered among people who didn't fit into ordinary church life and loved to see people radically changed as Christ worked His mercy, forgiveness and grace into them from the inside out. We are now retired which has freed us to serve the Lord in whatever capacity is open to us, presently as administrators of the Scroll, and a continuing interest in the plight of suffering Christians through Voice of the Martyrs (Australia). In our leisure time we love to explore more of this vast Australian landscape. Walking on the beach and swimming, in season, is a must for daily exercise. That translates into bush walking, in our winter months, on our world renowned, West Australian, Bibbulmun Track whenever possible. We have 2 sons in ministry and like to visit their churches whenever possible to catch up with family and just be there for our grandchildren, ages ranging from 6 to 16. We discovered CBE through the writings of Rebecca Merrill Groothuis. It was incredibly important at the time because we were unaware that there was a body of literature and like-minded believers out there. We have been blessed to attend 3 CBE conferences since 2003, Florida, St Louis and Melbourne which has further strengthened our ties with CBE and involvement with the Scroll, its writers and commenters.